accuracy at range .45/70 vs .30/06

[fightingquaker13]

TW's quest for an iron sight buffalo gun (which I wish to own), got me to thinking. Based on past performance (speed of reload aside) which was the more accurate rifle? The Sharps variants (including the Maritini Henry, the Remingtion Rolling Block or the Winchster Highwall) or the 1903 Springfield  30/06? I am simply curious as to whether a black powder octagonal barreled weapon can out shoot a (relatively) modern bolt action for accuracy . (Fans of the Moisin Nagant which is roughly co-temperanious to the Springfield feel free to chime in). Screw rate of fire. We're talking throwing lead 500+ yards down range with iron sights. Which do you prefer and why?
FQ13 who has gotten out his bowl of pop corn and hopes to learn something

[tombogan03884]

 For accuracy potential I think they are about even in trained hands, I THINK .45/70 has an edge in range though not by much.
It's kind of comparing apples and oranges, on one hand you have the "ultimate" development of the low pressure black powder large bore, (Big and slow ) and on the other hand you have a relatively early stage of the small bore smokeless powder, (Small and fast ).
Neat subject though  

[Timothy]

Given the .30-06 at 500 yards is going to drop significantly less than the 45-70 cartridge, you don't need much more than that to measure accuracy of the bullets.  You need to be the right guy pulling the trigger with both in order to hit what your aiming at.  Gravity is constant, figure in the windage and now you realize why so few people are capable of this type of shooting.

If you can't hit a 6" plate at 200 yards with either, it doesn't really matter which one.  Just a point, the 45-70 drops about 9" at 200 and the '06 is 1.5" high at that range....

I broke 80 with a $100 set of golf clubs but I can't hit a 6" plate at 200 yards anymore with anything....cept maybe my car!

 

[2HOW]

You cant compare these two rounds, they are made for different duty. 45/70 is a big close in bear killer, the 06 has a very diverse amount of bullet chamberings from small to large. 45/70 is a massive mammerjammer.

[fightingquaker13]

You cant compare these two rounds, they are made for different duty. 45/70 is a big close in bear killer, the 06 has a very diverse amount of bullet chamberings from small to large. 45/70 is a massive mammerjammer.

Ahh, not so young padawan. That's what we use it for now. Back in the day, the 45/70, and its big brothers like the 45/90 were for way the hell out there bufflo hunting. You just had to be darn good at hold over, which is what makes these cool.
FQ13

[shooter32]

Hornaday Ballistic Charts

http://www.hornady.com/images/ballistics/ballistics_charts.pdf

[tombogan03884]

 Didn't even need to be good at hold over , the tang sight for the Sharps came from it's use by snipers in the Civil War. It was used by both the 1st and 2nd USSS Regiments.

The sight I mean.

[Timothy]

The .45-70 Government was originally designed to kill MEN, not bison and once again, I remind you that there are no buffalo in North America....

Originally designed for the Springfield 1873 Trapdoor...by the Army!

[fightingquaker13]

Originally designed for the Springfield 1987 Trapdoor...by the Army!

You'd prefer a rifle designed by the navy? Silly squid, we're talking rifles, not BOAT paint.
FQ13

[Timothy]

You'prefer a rifle designed by the navy? Silly squid.
FQ13

Believe it or not, the barrel on a 16" gun is actually rifled young man!  We got the greatest toys the Pentagon can buy, bar none.......