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NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« on: February 25, 2018, 12:12:21 AM »
In American Rifleman magazine NovX ammo has an ad that says their 65 grain 9mm+P ARX at 1,710 FPS generates 422 ft/lbs of energy. Maybe, maybe not, but they say that's more powerful than a .45ACP+P. There may be a .45 ACP+P load that's slightly less than 422 ft/lbs, but I sure haven't seen it. There are literally dozens of .45 ACP+P loads that are more powerful than that. I have several boxes of CORBON 165 grain .45 ACP+P ammo that has 573 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. Not only is it more power than the NovX load, it's 151 ft/lbs more.

422 ft/lbs is barely more than a standard pressure .45 ACP 185 grain Silvertip at 411 ft/lbs. DoubleTap has a 185 grain .45 ACP Nosler JHP that they say is just shy of a +P rating at 592 ft./lbs. Underwood Ammo has 3 different 185 grain .45 ACP+P loads that are also 592 ft/lbs. So there are 4 loads that are 170 ft/lbs more than the 9mm+P ARX that's supposed to be more powerful. Liberty Ammo's Civil Defense 78 grain .45 ACP+P is an even 600 ft/lbs making it 178 ft/lbs more than the "more powerful" 9mm +P ARX.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 02:50:44 PM »
On their web page as well

Energy is weighted towards velocity.

http://www.novxammo.com/
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 07:07:44 PM »
Since that page says 230 grain .45 ACP +P I took a quick look for some online. The first thing I saw was Hornady XTP with 461 ft/lbs. Buffalo Bore also has a JHP load with 461 ft/lbs and a FMJ to match. Federal HST is the same exact 461 ft/lbs. CORBON is 461 ft/lbs too. Doubletap has one they say is just shy of +P at 511 ft/lbs. Plus they have another one with a different bullet and the same ballistics. Grizzly Ammo makes a JHP and a FMJ with 471 ft/lbs. Underwood Ammo is 511 ft/lbs for 2 different JHPs and a FMJ. That was all I found in the first 20 sites that came up in my search. Every one of the dozen 230 grain +P loads I found was from 461-511 ft/lbs. Not one is less than 422 ft/lbs like the liars at NovX claim.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 10:41:46 PM »
On another firearm related website it shows a picture of this NovX ammo and on the box it says 1,655 fps instead of 1,710. That brings the ME down to 395 ft/lbs instead of 422. So now it's less than the .45 ACP +P 230 grain load that they claimed was less powerful at 413 ft/lbs. And it's less than some standard pressure .45 ACP loads I've used, like Silvertips that have been around for decades. So much for their claim of their 9mm +P being more powerful than .45 ACP +P, when it's actually less than some standard pressure .45 loads.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2018, 11:57:33 PM »
I took a glance at the March issue of American Rifleman magazine last night. The article about the new SIG P365 had a ballistics table for 3 kinds of ammo. One was this Novx ARX 65 grain 9mm+P. It had 1 more ft/lb of muzzle energy than the non+P SIG V-Crown 124 grain JHP. For a difference of only 1 ft/lb I'd go with the bullet that weighs nearly twice as much, and costs 74 cents per round as opposed to $1.12 per round, both priced at Midway. In round numbers that's 51% more money for 0.3% more power.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2018, 05:44:33 AM »
Gimmick ammo being sold by it's high velocity as some type of advantage..... Which in pistol ammunition isn't. It reminds me of that overpriced "G-2 RIP" ammo with it's fancy, machined segments.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2018, 12:19:55 PM »
Quote from: billt on May 02, 2018, 05:44:33 AM
Gimmick ammo being sold by it's high velocity as some type of advantage..... Which in pistol ammunition isn't. It reminds me of that overpriced "G-2 RIP" ammo with it's fancy, machined segments.

And people fall head over heels for that crap too.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2018, 03:26:45 PM »
I presume Liberty ammo is much the same???

50 gr 9mm at very high speeds???
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2018, 06:41:09 PM »
That was actually the April issue, and they pointed out that the P365 has bilateral cocking serrations at the front and rear of the slide. I have no idea why they felt the need to let the world know the cocking serrations were on BOTH sides of the slide. Has anyone seen a pistol with cocking serrations on only one side of the slide? I haven't.

High velocity ammo is great in a firearm that can make the most of it. A small daily carry pistol isn't that firearm. If you were packing a 9mm with a 6" barrel it would have more power, but who wants to carry a 6" 9mm? You may as well carry a 10mm if you you want to carry a pistol that big.
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Re: NovX ammo ad lies, big time.
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2018, 04:24:23 PM »
Quote from: jumbofrank on May 02, 2018, 06:41:09 PM
That was actually the April issue, and they pointed out that the P365 has bilateral cocking serrations at the front and rear of the slide. I have no idea why they felt the need to let the world know the cocking serrations were on BOTH sides of the slide. Has anyone seen a pistol with cocking serrations on only one side of the slide? I haven't.

High velocity ammo is great in a firearm that can make the most of it. A small daily carry pistol isn't that firearm. If you were packing a 9mm with a 6" barrel it would have more power, but who wants to carry a 6" 9mm? You may as well carry a 10mm if you you want to carry a pistol that big.

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