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billt

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14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« on: May 18, 2017, 07:31:06 am »
What I want to know is how this thing becomes a non NFA weapon, and can be sold like any other shotgun, in spite of the fact it has a 14" barrel? The only thing different on it, is it has some kind of goofy looking club grip on it, instead of the usual pistol grip. (Which looks much more controllable than what they've put on this thing). How does a change in grip alone knock it off the NFA list with a 14" barrel? They both have "pistol grips" on them. Remington has done the same thing with the 870. I forget what name they've tagged theirs with.
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14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« on: May 18, 2017, 07:31:06 am »

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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 07:50:53 am »
Just like a 10 inch AR.
It's built originally   as a pistol.
Just like a Taurus Judge.
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 08:16:47 am »
Just like a 10 inch AR.
It's built originally   as a pistol.
Just like a Taurus Judge.

So... You could take it to a gunsmith, and have the barrel cut to ANY length you wanted? Say just ahead of the magazine screw cap, like a Serbu, "Super Shorty"? If I'm not mistaken those require a "AOW", (Any Other Weapon), registration. These do not. Why would these be any different? They're both "pistols". The legality of this gets dangerously confusing when you go under 18". That, along with the fact the ATF seems to change it's mind on this type of stuff every 15 minutes.
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 01:30:09 pm »
No. You have to manufacture a new reciever with a serial number listed as PISTOL through the entire process, and it can never have a shoulder stock installed, just like the Thompson Center Contender and Encore 45/410's.
10-14 inch 410 barrel, pistol grip is OK, undo one screw and replace it with the carbine stock is a federal crime.
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 03:30:40 pm »
The Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Remington Model 870 Tac-14 are considered firearms due to the 26 inch plus a fraction overall length they have with the Raptor pistol grip. They are NOT pistols. You can NOT shorten the barrel. You can NOT put a regular pistol grip on it that shortens the overall length. Just about anything you might want to do to it converts it from a firearm to an AOW.

ETA: If these things were pistols you could change the grips and shorten the barrels but there's no such thing as a 12 gauge pistol in the US. I believe .50 caliber is the biggest you can get in a pistol.

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590-shockwave/

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-tac-14
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 06:13:48 am »
Shotguns are exempted from the 50 cal max .
Otherwise all 12 gages would be illegal.
and there is at least one 12 g pistol made by Olin for boaters.
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 07:17:18 am »
The Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Remington Model 870 Tac-14 are considered firearms due to the 26 inch plus a fraction overall length they have with the Raptor pistol grip. They are NOT pistols. You can NOT shorten the barrel. You can NOT put a regular pistol grip on it that shortens the overall length. Just about anything you might want to do to it converts it from a firearm to an AOW.

ETA: If these things were pistols you could change the grips and shorten the barrels but there's no such thing as a 12 gauge pistol in the US. I believe .50 caliber is the biggest you can get in a pistol.

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590-shockwave/

https://www.remington.com/shotguns/pump-action/model-870/model-870-tac-14

So..... It has to be built without a shoulder stock from the factory, and the overall length has to be 26"+. So theoretically they could add 2" of length to the grip, and remove another 2" from the barrel. Thereby shortening the barrel to 12", and it would be just as legal? This is all so full of stupid.
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 07:42:22 am »
So..... It has to be built without a shoulder stock from the factory, and the overall length has to be 26"+. So theoretically they could add 2" of length to the grip, and remove another 2" from the barrel. Thereby shortening the barrel to 12", and it would be just as legal? This is all so full of stupid.

But, aren't MOST gun laws?

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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2017, 02:42:14 pm »
Shotguns are exempted from the 50 cal max .
Otherwise all 12 gages would be illegal.
and there is at least one 12 g pistol made by Olin for boaters.

Shotguns can be bigger than .50 caliber but like I said pistols can't be and these aren't pistols. And legally speaking 12 gauge flare-guns aren't pistols either. They aren't guns at all in the eyes of the law and that puts them in the same category as paintball guns. They're both non-guns. Capisce?
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Re: 14" Barreled Mossberg "Shockwave" Shotgun ???
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2017, 02:55:20 pm »
drop a 00 in one and tell me that ain't a f....k pistol . Capisce.
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