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Is the news media, certain individuals and the deep state in aiding progressive liberal Democrats making them all complicit in committing the high crime of treason?

Yes
10 (76.9%)
No, I'm a traitor.
0 (0%)
No, I'm a dumb ass.
0 (0%)
Dang it, Tom is right but it ought to be treason.
3 (23.1%)

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Rastus

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Is It Treason?
« on: March 03, 2017, 05:22:26 AM »
As I understand the definition of TREASON, it is the use of treachery (lying, misrepresenting, obfuscating truth) used as an act of betrayal to overthrow one's government in violation of allegiance to the state.  I would add further these conditions of proof; 1) differing peoples or parties acting in concert with one another using treachery to accomplish treason and 2) serial (ongoing & repeated in concert) acts that continue despite the statements of those individuals, politicians, bureaucrats or parties having been shown to be misleading are a confirmation of treason especially when shown they are acting together defining the conditions of conspiracy.

Is the apparently repeated deception (used by politicians like Schumer and Pelosi in concert with the Democratic party, news media and "deep state" to delegitimize the Trump administration with the ultimate aim to render the Office of the President ineffective or to have the US President removed from office) enough to satisfy conditions necessary to constitute the high crime of TREASON? 

There is and has been evidence presented which shows there are leaks from within the US Government by bureaucrats designed to delegitmize the Office of the President given to the news media and the Democratic party politicians which take out of context statements and actions of the US President or his administration.  Is this with the express purpose to deceive and mislead the US citizens (public) to lose confidence in the Office of the President?  Is this done with a shared aim to mislead by use of deception (lying)?

Former high party officials of the Democratic party have been conclusively shown to be working with bureacrats and the news media (print, internet and television) to provide misleading information solely to distort truth in order to advance their shared agenda to delegitimize those they disagree with.  This includes past leaders of the Democratic party as demonstrated by acquiring debate questions, finding ways to undermine their own presidential candidates, etc. 

The current and ultimate aim of the ongoing delegitimization of the legally elected US President orchestrated by citizens, news media, politicians and bureaucrats is to render ineffective the Office of the President or to remove Trump as the US President by the use of deception, i.e., to lie about the President's actions or beliefs in conflict with allegiance to the US Constitution that requires truthful and faithful service to uphold the US Constitution. 

Is delegitimiztion also the the funding of deceptive demonstrations using paid individuals to stage violent demonstrations and riots?  Is it free speech when one is paid to demonstrate or riot (especially repeatedly) and to use obfuscation of facts or misleading statements to make a point contrary to plain truth?

Are there observations which lead to the conclusion that there are actions of persons actively ongoing to destroy one of the branches of US Government satisfy the legal definition of the high crime of treason?
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tombogan03884

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 06:04:57 AM »
The Constitution specifies treason as" Giving aid and comfort to the enemy during time of war".
Obama is guilty of treason for aiding Muslim terrorists, Jane Fonda is guilty for givinga USO style show for NVA troops.
The media, and even the deep state operatives themselves can not be guilty until conservatives issue an actual declaration of war against them or their leadership.

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 06:43:50 AM »
Technically we are still at war with North Korea despite the armistice to cease what were hostilities between armed forces. 

I don't think it is going too far on a limb to say this gives aid and comfort to North Korea's leader.  This has a better foundation than anything the left obfuscates.
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tombogan03884

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 07:15:50 AM »
We were never at war with North Korea.
That was the UN.
Any aid that UN member states have given to NK  would qualify, but only under US law.
Saying that the Obama/Soros/ liberal conspiracy gives aid and comfort to NK is a bit of a stretch.
Even the Confederates were never successfully tried for treason .

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 07:57:56 AM »
Korea and Vietnam were both, if memory serves, considered police actions.  No declaration of war was authorized by congress.  Still, Hanoi Jane DID give aid and comfort to the enemy and should hang.

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tombogan03884

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 02:01:06 PM »
Here's what Rastus wants, it's not treason, it's sedition.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 02:20:41 PM »

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

That's why the American Communist Party was never prosecuted--they didn't advocate violent overthrow, just steady usurpation of democratic freedom.  The National Socialists, on the other hand, got their weenies wound by the feds for advocating violent overthrow.

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 05:32:37 PM »
I've always found it ironic that our Constitution forbids the same seditious activities that created the ouster of a tyrannical government in the creation of the Republic in the first place!


tombogan03884

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 06:07:53 AM »
The Constitution doesn't forbid it, kind of skips over the subject beyond the 2nd A.
But several State constitutions (NH is one) specifically reserve the right to revolution.
The sedition acts were put in place originally because of opposition to the war of 1812.

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Re: Is It Treason?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 08:53:00 PM »
When it comes to Liberals and what they are doing to us I go back to my mother's cousin.  He was only 11 years older than me, and he served in Vietnam.  I was 16, things were still going strong, and I wondered what I had ahead of me.  I asked him one day what it was like to be fighting with and against people who looked alike, and spoke the same language.  He told me (my first exposure to this well worn phrase) "Shoot 'em all, and let God sort them out!"

I don't care what term you put on their actions.  Fight them all, and let good find its way through the mess.
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