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Well, that was weird!
« on: December 08, 2016, 09:43:43 am »
Yesterday (Wednesday), I was out and about, and had to stop at 2 stores in a small mall here in my uber-progressive town. I parked a row in from one line of stores since I had to go to another store 90 degrees to the left of the first.

So I was walking through the row of cars, and as I walked across the roadway in the shopping center, a guy parked directly in front of the store I was going to rockets backwards nearly hitting me - in fact I believe he would have if I had not stepped to the left. As he continues past me, I knock on his driver's window with my knuckle just to let him know I was there and still uncomfortably close. If he had pulled backwards with the back of his car going to the right, he WOULD have hit me with the front of his car in spite of my sidestepping him.

Anyhow, I kept walking, thinking nothing more of the event when I hear something behind me. He has stopped his car - in the parking lot roadway - and is approaching me across a distance of 20-25 feet. I think he is going to apologize for almost hitting me and to make sure I'm alright. WRONG! He stops with his face about a foot from mine and shouts at me "I didn't see you! You ever put your hands on my car again I'll punch you in the face!"

What happened next surprised the heck out of me. Without even thinking about it, I looked him in the eyes (I was wearing sunglasses, he was not), stepped back with my right foot to turn my body away from him, and at the same time put my right hand under my untucked shirt and grabbed the grip on my concealed pistol. Then these words came out of my mouth:

     "If you put your hands on me, it will be the last effing thing you ever do."

I have never said that to anyone in my life, and have not even practiced saying it. More to the point, I said it coolly, calmly, like I was ordering a pizza, whereas he was shouting. I'm guessing the stance (this IS Kentucky, even if in an uber-liberal town - for reference see my post http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=31308.msg307098#msg307098, the sunglasses, the fact I was cool and calm, and maybe even the fact I hadn't shaved for a few days all worked to make him rethink the situation, as he shouted again "I didn't see you" and went back to his car.

To my chagrin, I totally misread the situation at first, did not notice the look on his face nor did I scan his hands that I am aware of. So 2 major errors on my part. Maybe more by not backing up a bit more to add distance (he would have closed with me in any event I believe), and putting myself off-balance by stepping back with 1 foot to hide access to my gun.

Any other thoughts? Any other way I could have defused the situation differently?
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Well, that was weird!
« on: December 08, 2016, 09:43:43 am »

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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 04:59:14 am »
I guess the legal side would be that while you felt assaulted, threatening to escalate to deadly force may not have been wise.   However, it worked and he stepped down.

Once you knocked on his window, some might also say you committed the first assault.   Granted he almost ran over you but that could be viewed not as on purpose but simple careless driving.

Not defending the other guy, just thinking what his attorney might say.

BUT, these things happen in such a short span of time, there isn't time to think through all the scenarios, just time to react. 
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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 05:51:01 am »
I'm with Alf on this one...

Had I reacted similarly here in the Peoples Republic, I've committed the felonious act of brandishing!  Jail, gun rights striped, fines, etc...

I have been run over by a car, it's not fun...   As to the initial reaction, I'm an avoidance advocate to the point that I won't go near a mall or shopping center until well after the holidays are over.

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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 08:03:23 am »
Timothy.  Didn't know we were in the same club.   The run-over-by-a-car-club.    There's some claim to fame on mine as it was a 1930's Model A with 8 cheerleaders in it.     
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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2016, 08:51:08 am »
Not so fortunate to have the cheerleader aspect, Alf!

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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2016, 09:05:52 am »

Anyhow, I kept walking, thinking nothing more of the event when I hear something behind me. He has stopped his car - in the parking lot roadway - and is approaching me across a distance of 20-25 feet. I think he is going to apologize for almost hitting me and to make sure I'm alright. WRONG! He stops with his face about a foot from mine and shouts at me "I didn't see you! You ever put your hands on my car again I'll punch you in the face!"


I think this area is the most critical.
Everything before could possibly be argued that it was reactionary to a sudden unexpected event.
Everything after this point kinda took place also as a reaction to this pivotal point.

If there is a "failure" to be recognized, it is not watching in 360 degrees and not being aware that he was on you so quick and so close.
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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 07:41:01 am »
  Knocking on his car window and walking on was a gesture.  And your failure.  If you're packing heat you don't indulge yourself in gestures.  You side stepped the incident and it was over, he was no longer a threat to you.  If he came at you after the window knock it could be reasonably argued to be a separate incident.  That you started.

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2017, 06:33:10 pm »
Did you really knock on the window with your knuckles or was it an instinctive movement to prevent falling into the vehicle as it was moving?  The fact that the knuckles let him know you were there may simply be a bad way of explaining what happened?

I think I would have turned and put my body sideways to him with my weak hand up between he and I while my strong hand was readied to draw if attacked.  Then scan and reassess.
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Re: Well, that was weird!
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2017, 12:52:16 pm »
Did you really knock on the window with your knuckles or was it an instinctive movement to prevent falling into the vehicle as it was moving?  The fact that the knuckles let him know you were there may simply be a bad way of explaining what happened?

I think I would have turned and put my body sideways to him with my weak hand up between he and I while my strong hand was readied to draw if attacked.  Then scan and reassess.

Actually, it was both, one of those situations where things happen very quickly and yet your mind processes a number of things almost at once.  I turned sideways as I stepped to the left to avoid a very rapidly moving vehicle, was literally right beside the car, thought about my toes and his tires, I remember seeing the car's mirror heading at me, thought I need to avoid it and let him know there is a person here, reached out to shove myself back from the car avoiding (I hoped) the mirror AND tapping the car to alert the driver. Hitting the glass was just a matter of where my hand was at that moment - I just wanted to knock on the car somewhere and shove away to clear the mirror/wheels. The whole near-miss event took less time than for you to say "Actually, it was both", he was moving that fast.

The guy was maybe half my age and fitter than I, about the same height (not counting his hat), but in retrospect I needed to find another approach than to reach for the butt of the pistol. There was very little space between us, as I noted in my OP his face when he stopped to yell at me was maybe 10-12" from mine. So putting my weak hand up would have likely hit him first.

OTOH, Rastus, I think you will appreciate this, I think I said what I did, what I said and the way I said it for a reason not of my own doing. There have been a few occasions where words have come out of my mouth without ever even forming a thought to say something specific. In those cases it was clear to me that there was direction was not coming from me but from elsewhere.
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