B R E X I T - - - What are your opinions on this matter?

[Solus]

If every one fed up with the way the GOP and Dems are running the country would vote for a 3rd party instead of trying to leave the Union, I believe things would change much faster and with less trauma than secession.   

Instead, folks hold their nose and vote for the perceived lesser of the two evils...and nothing changes  Somehow I don't think politicians give a hoot if they get voted for with noses held....they probably get a good chuckle from it.

[PegLeg45]

I'd like to see Texas and Oklahoma hook up and leave.  I bet Arkansas would follow.  If New Orleans wasn't in the mix, Louisiana may leave too but controlling the Mississippi River may be too much for the Fed...or the children (emotional, greedy lawyers) running the Federal government may totally miss the significance since the water is muddy and they don't have condos overlooking the Mississippi. 

Hmmm.....I guess 155 years ago the south might have actually been on to something...... 

If every one fed up with the way the GOP and Dems are running the country would vote for a 3rd party instead of trying to leave the Union, I believe things would change much faster and with less trauma than secession.   

Instead, folks hold their nose and vote for the perceived lesser of the two evils...and nothing changes  Somehow I don't think politicians give a hoot if they get voted for with noses held....they probably get a good chuckle from it.

I can't disagree with this in principle......

BUT, how do you make it happen?
Everyone who is fed up would have to ALL be on the same page or it just hands the election over to a rep or dem on a platter.

[tombogan03884]

Is there something about 3rd party's don't win" that you don't understand ?
Didn't you learn anything from Ross Perot ?
Young people have an excuse. You don't.

[Solus]

Is there something about 3rd party's don't win" that you don't understand ?
Didn't you learn anything from Ross Perot ?
Young people have an excuse. You don't.

you have it backwards, Tom.

3rd parties don't win because the idiots think doing the same thing, over and over and over, even while holding there noses, will have different results.

[Timothy]

Unless and until you change the electoral college, a third party cannot win a presidential election!

The law requires 270 to win at the moment.  Just won't work...

There are three voting blocks today and just like the Patriots that fought for our country, they had 1/3 in opposition and 1/3 who didn't give a shit!  Not much has changed..  It's why independents have decided recent elections!

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[tombogan03884]

Yes, itch the electoral college.
Then you peons can be ruled by your betters in NY and Ca.

[PegLeg45]

Yes, itch the electoral college.
Then you peons can be ruled by your betters in NY and Ca.

This is true.

The Electoral College system does need reform and consistency from state to state in the way that votes are cast, but it does not need to go away (IMHO).

[Solus]

You don't have to win.

Even if all you do is draw enough votes from one candidate to change the outcome, like Perot, you have gained two things.

Unlike Perot who was a flash in the pan candidate, established 3rd parties will be there in the next election and will have candidates at all levels of government.

One of the gains is that you will have let the established parties know they need to "rethink" the issues the 3rd party supports, and

Two, you will have let other voters know that the 3rd party is "growing".

If the 3rd party just gains a few % points of the vote each presidential election, it will become more effective with time. 

Getting folks to look 15 or 20 years ahead instead of 15 or 20 months is the problem....but nothing will change with the established parties unless they do.

Another benefit of increased vote percentage is that they funds of the 3rd party can be more effectively spent.  As it is, the two major parties make it very difficult for 3rd parties to even get on the ballot.  If they haven't garnered a certain % of the preceding election vote, they  have to get a large number of signatures on petitions in each state to get on that states ballot.  And canvasing for signatures is expensive.

[Timothy]

Yes, itch the electoral college.
Then you peons can be ruled by your betters in NY and Ca.

Never said ditch it Tom.

BTW, we're already run by the northeast and the west coast and large metro's in between!  Heck, when was the last time NH went to a conservative, 1988?

[tombogan03884]

You don't have to win.

Even if all you do is draw enough votes from one candidate to change the outcome, like Perot, you have gained two things.

Unlike Perot who was a flash in the pan candidate, established 3rd parties will be there in the next election and will have candidates at all levels of government.

One of the gains is that you will have let the established parties know they need to "rethink" the issues the 3rd party supports, and

Have you been living under a rock for the last 7 years ?
Yes, we do need to win. And if you saw what happened with the Tea party you would understand, THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK.
Do you know anyone who didn't oppose Obamacare ? They passed it anyway though, didn't they.