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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2014, 12:03:01 PM »
Alf, that is one of those sort of guns that can only be referred to as "cute."

And I realize this is mainly for emergency use, but a couple of thoughts:

You lose a little velocity with the short barrel, but probably not enough to matter downrange.  But
it will also, even moreso than a regular length barrel, is going to make a noise like the Crack of Doom.
And even with milspec ammo, you should expect significant muzzle flash, which is Not A Good Thing
during serious social engagements.

Not that this would stop me from using it, just be aware.

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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2014, 12:52:03 PM »
Thank you, G Bear.    Yes, it's cute.   I never thought much about AR pistols, but I just love this upper with the full length fore end.  And yes, it's for the Bug Out bag.    Given that it uses, 5.56 ammo, AR mags and there's tons of spare parts to be had, easily repaired, I was swayed in favor of a proprietary platform for this use.

I didn't think the flash and retort were that bad when I fired it.

I happen to think that lots of spitzen, sparken and loudenboomen, isn't necessarily a bad thing when facing adversaries.   Even at longer distances, they got to be questioning the wisdom of getting trying to get closer.

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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2014, 06:45:11 PM »
as Mr. Bear commented... a linear comp like a Levang or a Troy makes a great addition... you can almost (almost) shoot one without ear plugs in an emergency... I do, however, already have hearing loss in the 4000 Hz range


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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2014, 07:58:30 AM »
 I have a family member who loves to get Tax Stamps to make SBRs out of ARs and AKs. The muzzle blast you feel sitting at the bench next to him is unpleasant at best! In any low light condition it could be blinding short term and in an inclosed area deafening without  hearing protection.

Currently I am hoping to find a Sub2000 in ,40 that takes S&W mags at a fair price, one that takes Glock mags would be easier to find but I'm not a Glock guy.
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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2014, 08:13:57 AM »
...but I'm not a Glock guy.

Mort, it takes a BIG MAN to so freely admit his mental and emotional shortcomings.

I think there are groups that can help you overcome this obvious case of self-loathing and get you back on the path to being an intelligent gun owner.

It may not be easy, but nothing worthwhile ever is.  Still, the rewards are worth it when you can finally recognize Glock is quite possibly the finest commercially available handgun.

Just remember the mantra:  Plastic is Fantastic.

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Re: Bug Out Gun
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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2014, 08:33:28 AM »
Thanks Rabbit, I understand others don't share my opinion and I am OK with that. Glocks don't have round bores and hate cast bullets which I shoot a lot of and look like the glue guns they sell at Hobby Lobby. Other than that I favor metal frames even though I carry a verity of plastic pocket guns, one or two at a time concealed.
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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2014, 08:35:54 AM »
Thank you, G Bear.    Yes, it's cute.   I never thought much about AR pistols, but I just love this upper with the full length fore end.  And yes, it's for the Bug Out bag.    Given that it uses, 5.56 ammo, AR mags and there's tons of spare parts to be had, easily repaired, I was swayed in favor of a proprietary platform for this use.

I didn't think the flash and retort were that bad when I fired it.

I happen to think that lots of spitzen, sparken and loudenboomen, isn't necessarily a bad thing when facing adversaries.   Even at longer distances, they got to be questioning the wisdom of getting trying to get closer.



Think "Flash/Bang grenade  ;D

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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2014, 09:31:35 AM »
I have a family member who loves to get Tax Stamps to make SBRs out of ARs and AKs. The muzzle blast you feel sitting at the bench next to him is unpleasant at best! In any low light condition it could be blinding short term and in an inclosed area deafening without  hearing protection.

Currently I am hoping to find a Sub2000 in ,40 that takes S&W mags at a fair price, one that takes Glock mags would be easier to find but I'm not a Glock guy.

Pretty good guns.
I kinda wish I had kept my Sub2000 (it was the .40 using Glock 22 mags), but I had the chance to sell it for more than I paid for it and apply the money toward an AR.
They are good bag guns, for what a pistol-caliber carbine is worth. Inside 100 yards, it was dead on with the factory peep sight, and in the last year or so, there are plenty of add-on items like picatinny fore-ends that can be had.

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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2014, 09:38:48 AM »
Currently I am hoping to find a Sub2000 in ,40 that takes S&W mags at a fair price, one that takes Glock mags would be easier to find but I'm not a Glock guy.

I have two Glocks only so that I can compete in GSSF.   My Production semi-auto is a M&P, and I love to shoot revolver for most everything else.     However, for overall availability, I would think the Glock mags are ubiquitous.   Getting a S2000 with Glock mags isn't the same as actually buying a Glock.  It's just taking advantage of the availability and variety of the mags.

Don't the S&W 4006 mags only fit the 4xxx models?   If that's what you own/carry then great.  I don't think they interchangeable with the M&P or Sigma series.  Are they available in capacities bigger than 11 rounds?

Just things to think about.

I debated over this a long time trying to balance the magazine issue, with the ammo issue, with the size and cost issue.   The beauty of the AR pistol finally hit me with this upper.   The buffer tube does work though (ATTN:  BATFE. I'd never, ever actually do this) as a very short stock.    If I were going with the pistol caliber then the S2000 - Glock would be what I'd get.   Even if I didn't own Glocks.
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Re: Bug Out Gun
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2014, 09:58:15 AM »
 I have a S&W 4006 Tactical and have used the mags in my 9mm Keltec P=11, it functions flawlessly with the smaller round and holds 15 or 16 of them.
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