Author Topic: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.  (Read 5335 times)

tombogan03884

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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2013, 07:41:02 PM »
Stop at the LGS today, 2 AR's $1800, and $2K, SKS $750 .
On the other hand, 4 new S&W M&P 22's $550 each and new Glocks at $650.
Didn't ask about ammo as this place never carries much.

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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2013, 09:35:30 PM »
A couple observations.
Local hardware/gunstore manager usually goes to SHOT show and places orders for to be filled throughout the year.  He was unable to attend this year.  He has been communicating with a number of his suppliers since SHOT and they told him he may just plain be out of luck.  A sales rep called him a few days ago and offered him 5 boxes of .223.  He said great, 5000 rounds, to which the rep replied, no 5 boxes of 20, not 5 cases.

A friend picked up a 25 round box of 9 mm defensive ammo for $32 and 500 rounds CCI .22 for $45 at a broad spectrum outdoor sporting goods store.  They told him 10% - 20% increase in any fishing tackle that uses lead, brass, copper or nickle in it do to shortages of material.

Another small local gun store has around 100 guns ordered and paid for, but not sure when he will get them.  Sounded like he had to pay up front just to order them.  He and another local shop are buying what the think they can sell, but far from premium stuff.


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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2013, 11:17:57 AM »
It now seems that the various shortages of bullets, primers and other reloading supplies are working their damaging way down stream. 

I just got back from my local, commercial re-loader who employs about 4 people including the owner.  They are finalizing the re-manufacture of 9mm to be used near term at a pistol match.  When I asked him how he stood on supplies, his reply was that when this run was done they were effectively out of primers.  He said their bullet maker is quoting at least 90-120 days for shipping with no guarantees.  Re-supply of primers isn't being quoted by the manufacturers.  Powder is in very short supply.  New brass doesn't seem to exist anymore.  When they are done with this current match run, they are essentially out of the reloading business.  The owner is a pistol smith, too, and may be able to subsist on that business, but it is also slowing down some.  And, three people are likely to be unemployed.

Now, here's where these shortages start working their way down stream...

Local reloader supplies the Police Pistol Range, and the range is also out of ammo.  Local cop shops are complaining they do not have sufficient ammo for their officers to qualify.  And, the range is seeing fewer civilians coming in to shoot because no one can replace what they shoot and are hoarding what they have left.  The result may well be that the range closes to civilians or goes completely out of business. 

And, here's where I think it could get very interesting. If the cops don't have enough ammo to perform quals, how much longer before they don't have enough "qualified" officers to fill their rosters.  And how long until they don't have enough ammo to supply duty requirements?  And, how much longer before the bad guys realize they can do whatever the heck they want without danger of being shot?  I realize that last question sounds like it's "out there" but it seems to me to be within the realm of possibility. 

We frequently ridicule the Barney Fife style shooting that cops are famous for, but if they can't even perform their qualification shooting, they are liable to get really wild.  The idea of an empty gun and a bullet in the shirt pocket makes for decent comedy, but it's bad practice for a real police department.

I think things are going to get a lot more interesting before they start leveling out, and when prices finally do stabilize, they are likely to be a whole lot higher than they were before the current disaster was re-elected.

I've got no answers.  I'm just sayin'...

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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2013, 11:59:38 AM »
crusader,

      Cops don't need ammo for their Glocks, they have incendiary tear gas!
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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2013, 12:38:24 PM »
There you go, start issuing them bloopers with tear gas grenades.
I think I'd rather get shot.  ;D

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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2013, 12:58:45 PM »

And, here's where I think it could get very interesting. If the cops don't have enough ammo to perform quals, how much longer before they don't have enough "qualified" officers to fill their rosters.  And how long until they don't have enough ammo to supply duty requirements?  And, how much longer before the bad guys realize they can do whatever the heck they want without danger of being shot?  I realize that last question sounds like it's "out there" but it seems to me to be within the realm of possibility. 

We frequently ridicule the Barney Fife style shooting that cops are famous for, but if they can't even perform their qualification shooting, they are liable to get really wild.  The idea of an empty gun and a bullet in the shirt pocket makes for decent comedy, but it's bad practice for a real police department.

I think things are going to get a lot more interesting before they start leveling out, and when prices finally do stabilize, they are likely to be a whole lot higher than they were before the current disaster was re-elected.

I've got no answers.  I'm just sayin'...

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But wait, if they actually try and qualify they get blamed for stockpiling ammo for some supposed war on civilians. 
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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2013, 02:06:53 PM »
jnevis,

      Supposed? Do you suppose we are supposing...er, imagining what is going on? From a macro perspective: trickle down socialism, anti 2nd Amendment tendencies, violations of 4th Amendment protections for unreasonable search and seizure, warrant-less snooping, and invasion of privacy by drones, surrender of property rights, forced purchases under threat of punishment, fees or taxes...need I go on? Only a government insider would consider any of this to be "reasonable" and consistent with the Constitution. Yet, when we draw our own conclusions based on the limited information our government provides (add information manipulation to the list above), we are accused of having the audacity to suggest something is actually wrong. Well, sir, something is very wrong because the macro view tells me so.

      Notice how many SWAT teams there are in this country? EVERY PD has at least one. None hesitates to use the SWAT team for almost any situation now and they make sure the public sees them with all their accoutrements. Why? Does it give the public a feeling of security? Or does it show the public who has the power? And the feds? How many departments in the executive branch have police and SWAT forces? Why are all these necessary? Is it because Americans are resisting the federal government? Or is it because the federal government wants those who may resist to understand the consequences? These questions are all rhetorical, of course.
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Re: Gun/Ammo Industry Update.
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2013, 02:48:13 PM »
I never once said that there wasn't a problem with how the gov't has been expanded.  There's a big difference between what you're talking about and the "DHS is buying enough ammo to shoot us all 5 times" BS I heard on the radio this morning.   I don't know about you but I'd prefer a police dept, whether there was only one or 15,000+, that had officers that at least made an attempt to be proficient in the tools of thier jobs.  You can't do that without expending ammunition but whenever anybody tries to order some, whether 100 or a billion, somebody wants to say they are going to shoot us with it.  Can't have it both ways, sorry.  If you don't want the police to have ammo, then don't complain when they actually have to use a firearm but they don't hit anything but bystanders.

SWAT is overused, even SWAT guys will tell you that.  Problem is the people that are causing the problems now are better equiped and better armed than the cops.  It was unheard of for a criminal to be wearing body armor, now its almost a given.  A beat cop is not equiped to enter a meth lab or anywhere there is significant resistance.  Look at North Hollywood. The LAPD Patrol officers had to go and get rifles from a gunshop down the street before they could engage the to bank robbers, and it still took SWAT to actually stop them.  Now almost all of them have a rifle.  The training has gotten better, but on a very limited scale. 

There are 175 police departments within the 50 miles of DC but most of them have a nationwide jurisdiction that is measured in SQUARE FEET.  The FBI for example, has a uniformed police dept that is  technically seperate from the FBI itself, but only has authority to do anything on the physical property of the FBI HQ building.  Is it dumb? Yes.  Unlike a local or even state agency, a federal law enforcement entity is only allowed to conduct investigations in a VERY narrow field.  That's why they have so many task forces.  The Marshals can't arrest a drug dealer, the FBI can't arrest a counterfitter, DEA can't arrest a fugitve, and the Secret Service can't arrest an illegal, somebody else has to do it.  Everybody has to stay in thier "swim lane."  Hell, some federal agencies can't arrest or conduct surviellance at night by law, they have to have a local do it.  Trying to consolidate some functions resulted in DHS and you think they're to big.  Everytime someone tries to make those agencies smaller by moving responsibilities around, it dies because then there is to much power in one agency, so they break it up.  Then there's to many agencies doing similar things and they're tripping all over themselves, which costs billions.
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