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A very interesting article/blog.......

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If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/

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I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.

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About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

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Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.

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I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.

If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.

This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.

I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.

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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 02:28:46 pm »
Pretty much answers his own question.
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It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty.
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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 03:01:56 pm »
Pretty much answers his own question.
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It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty.


Can't argue with that.

It will be interesting to see on which side the police and military come down.
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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 04:15:34 pm »
Okay, maybe it's not the best source.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038391_gun_confiscation_executive_orders_cops.html

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I reached out to my contacts in law enforcement, military and (retired) FBI over the last three days, asking three simple questions:

#2) Will you enforce gun confiscation against the citizens?

On this issue, the answer was resounding and unanimous: NO!

The retired police captain told me that, "Door-to-door confiscation by men and women in blue [i.e. city cops] would be a suicide mission." If ordered to conduct such gun confiscation actions, many would simply resign on the spot rather than risk their lives in firefights with determined gun owners, he explained. "Our officers are not generally willing to assume the increased risk of such a police action."

He also explained, importantly, that most police officers have not even been trained to conduct sweeping, community-level weapons confiscation programs. "This goes against all our community outreach efforts where we try to earn the trust of the community." If cops suddenly became gun confiscation enforcers, trust would break down and policing would become extremely difficult, he explained.

The USMC veteran told me that some of the younger soldiers would go along with gun confiscation if ordered, but that nearly all the older military personnel would likely refuse such orders, even at risk of a court martial. "Some of the guys actually talked about this on deployment. The E-1's might follow those orders but most of us who managed to stay alive through a couple of tours are too smart for that. You'd have AWOL out the ass. We didn't sign up to engage Americans as enemy combatants. The answer would be F*%K NO all the way up the chain of command."

Guess they would have to bring in the UN to do the job.

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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 04:29:57 pm »
I don't know if this guy is a kook or not, but much of what he says is being discussed, often, on most forums:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL63OFIdIIM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL63OFIdIIM</a>
"It does not take a majority to prevail...... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~ Samuel Adams

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."~Patrick Henry

For the Patriots of this country, the Constitution is second only to the Bible for most. For those who love this country, but do not share my personal beliefs, it is their Bible. To them nothing comes before the Constitution of these United States of America. For this we are all labeled potential terrorists. ~ Dean Garrison

"When it comes to the enemy, just because they ain't pullin' a trigger, doesn't mean they ain't totin' ammo for those that are."~PegLeg

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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 05:39:13 pm »
An hour is just to long to listen to.
I would recommend it to any one with a longer attention span though.
To sum it up, as an American, if the authorities come for your guns, you do not have a right to fight, you have an obligation to fight .
But here's the thing all must consider.
The people who assault your house will not be faceless "UN troops".
The first person through the door, who you need to shoot through the head, will probably be some one you know from the local range, or from seeing him around town .
Same with the person behind him.
And the person behind him.
Based on the experience of hurricane Katrina, the idea that significant numbers of police and military will throw away their pensions and health benefits for your rights is a best wishful thinking.
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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 12:53:06 pm »

'They' ain't going to come take them

90% of 'us' will turn them in when asked
7% of 'us' will bury or hide them - effectivly as 'mission kill' as it's out of use
3% of 'us' will go gonzo and be killed or jailed

 

most likely they're going to slowly boil this frog
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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 02:03:50 pm »
'They' ain't going to come take them

90% of 'us' will turn them in when asked
7% of 'us' will bury or hide them - effectivly as 'mission kill' as it's out of use
3% of 'us' will go gonzo and be killed or jailed

 

most likely they're going to keep raising the temp on this frog

Fixed it for you!

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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 03:00:32 pm »
Here's a different perspective, one at least worth considering and discussion...

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V64bWqFUo34" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V64bWqFUo34</a>

Based on several other videos of his that I watched, this career soldier knows more than just a thing or two.
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Re: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 05:01:50 pm »
'They' ain't going to come take them

90% of 'us' will turn them in when asked
7% of 'us' will bury or hide them - effectivly as 'mission kill' as it's out of use
3% of 'us' will go gonzo and be killed or jailed


3% of 100 million gun owners is still 3 million people.  If 3 million people respond with force against a tyrannical government that is a larger force than most, if not all, standing armies!  Not to mention this would be a gorilla type force, decentralized and independent, think the Taliban only less organized and better equipped.  AND You wonder why they want to pressure us into turning our guns in?
He who dares wins.  SAS