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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2012, 10:51:06 am »
Jay, according to DGF that's all Sci Fi BS.
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2012, 10:51:06 am »

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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2012, 05:59:07 pm »
Yeah , yeah ,yeah and those weren't passenger planes that hit the Twin Towers but remote controlled explosive filled missiles. Same with the missile that hit the pentagon.

 That a persons mind can be programed to commit murder only happens in SciFi movies and comic books. It makes a good story on TV, hence the examples you provide. But no credible evidence.   

Not so much program but humans do some funny things to "fit in"- just look at any teenager (I know I have 4  :'( ).

The desire to be a member of a group has been studied and the dynamics within those relationships can alter a person's perception.  Manipulating others for one's own benefit has been going on since the beginning of time and will until the end of time.
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2012, 10:03:05 pm »
What's that behavior experiment Tyler often refers to , about electrocuting subjects who give wrong answers ?
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2012, 04:51:13 am »
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.

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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2012, 08:13:20 am »
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt .
Your factless post still hasn't addressed suicide bombers, which is the textbook example of "programming someone to murder".
Wake up and smell the Semtex, your "hogwash" is reality in many countries.
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2012, 09:56:41 am »
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.

OK, I was going to stay out of this one but I can't stand it any longer.

Training may not "brainwash" a person to target a specific individual, but any significant training doctrine has some level of desensitization to killing to be effecitve, whether it's force on force Simunition/paintball, or using human shaped pop-up targets for soldiers.  The miilitary teaches to visualize the threat as "just another day at the range."  Even USPSA/IDPA has a target shaped to simulate a person to give the shooter a presentation they would see if in a true shooting.  It's tenuious to say its mind control, but does have a level of mind manipulation. 

Desensitization to shooting/harming a human shaped target gives those on the fringes less inhibition to doing it IRL.  Look at those that role-play D&D type games live and can't seperate real from the game.  Call of Duty and all the other first person shooters have some of the same effect.  Does everybody go out and shoot up a group of people after playing it, no.  Are they less likely to be shocked if they witness violence up close, probably.
 
Again, military training is designed to ilicit a programmed response.  Top Gun was developed to give Navy fighter pilots ten dogfights in a controlled environment prior to deploying to a combat zone, so they could have experience "what it was like" before they had to do it for real.  Any other excersise or training evolution for military and police is designed same way.  Some people treat first person shooters like that.  How many of these nut-jobs have been heavy into online gaming?  Could there be some connection?  A fragile mind is predisposed to doing things most wouldn't consider, if they've had enough stimulous.
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 12:38:47 pm »
I think that if you look at court records you'll find many examples of a strong, dominating, controlling, individuals, "a handler" that steers a weaker, unstable, mentally deficient person, "a patsy" so to speak to do their bidding including murder.  Individuals with poor self esteem, a socially inept person, and others with the right psychological precursors may be "programmed" with the right skills.
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 12:50:30 pm »
" Training may not "brainwash" a person to target a specific individual........"  Exactly!

I do agree with the rest of your post jnevis. People can be influenced by a person with a strong personality. As I said, some people are born salesmen and can sell ice to the eskimos but they cannot "Program" a person to commit murder.

Please submit real evidence that Sirhan was programed. It is a Theory and remains a theory held close by conspiracy buffs. Try and convince a 911 Truther that Bush and company didn't bring down the twin towers using Thermite. The Sirhan myth belongs in the same camp as the Truthers.

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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 12:51:20 pm »
Like gangbanger wannabe's ?
In other words DGF's "sci Fi fantasy" is actually pretty common.   ::)
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Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2012, 04:52:37 pm »
Semantics!
Brainwashing, programming, what ever you want to call it, an individual can influence another to kill a specific person or commit a specific act.  Read a newspaper  or watch some court TV.
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