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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2012, 11:54:05 am »
Gents,
 I will get our assessment sheet when I get into work tomorrow and post the details here for your review. It was put together by one of the 3 best expert on the planet (literally). There is a guy in the SS that is the expert for celebrities and a few psychologists that do this for us common folks and this guy who am I am happy to call a friend who is ex PD and is the "field guy" who wrote the book on how to do this in an organization. I call him "Marshall Dillon" as he loves this stuff! It he says "fascinating" or or interesting" 3 times in a case review I know I am in deep shit!

Joe

That one made me LOL.   ;D
I look forward to seeing this.

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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2012, 11:54:05 am »

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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2012, 12:53:22 pm »
sweet1911:

Anger is a natural grief response, and it is anger with the situation.  The thing that armchair I'm ok you're ok people forgot to read in the textbook was that most of the anger in grief is misdirected, and that misdirection is the reason it is called irrational anger.  It is anger that must be allowed to vent, but it must be redirected to the proper point as soon as possible and until it is the grief process will never proceed in a meaningful and useful way.

Our media, and groups like Brady will do all they can to fuel the anger and to keep it misdirected (irrational) as long as possible.  They will do this because it fuels their purpose.

We need to approach this with sensitivity and factual reason.

I have a post ready to go on Facebook meant to inform and put in perspective deaths caused by misuse.  I just need to decide when the appropriate time is.  I reviewed it this morning with some church leaders, and they say NOW.  I have not decided yet.  Today would get the highest readership, but this is still a raw wound that hasn't even started to scab up.
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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2012, 12:57:49 pm »
sweet1911:

Anger is a natural grief response, and it is anger with the situation.  The thing that armchair I'm ok you're ok people forgot to read in the textbook was that most of the anger in grief is misdirected, and that misdirection is the reason it is called irrational anger.  It is anger that must be allowed to vent, but it must be redirected to the proper point as soon as possible and until it is the grief process will never proceed in a meaningful and useful way.

Our media, and groups like Brady will do all they can to fuel the anger and to keep it misdirected (irrational) as long as possible.  They will do this because it fuels their purpose.

We need to approach this with sensitivity and factual reason.

I have a post ready to go on Facebook meant to inform and put in perspective deaths caused by misuse. I just need to decide when the appropriate time is.  I reviewed it this morning with some church leaders, and they say NOW.  I have not decided yet.  Today would get the highest readership, but this is still a raw wound that hasn't even started to scab up.

Better do it now before the next episode of "Dancing with the Stars".
Nobody will remember what you're talking about after that.

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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2012, 01:57:33 pm »

I have a post ready to go on Facebook meant to inform and put in perspective deaths caused by misuse.  I just need to decide when the appropriate time is. 

M, I invite you to post it here for feedback.

I find myself reacting to this one somewhat differently than those in the past, in that my desire to do something to change the public conversation has crystallized with this event. I am trying to feel my way into finding something worth doing to shift the thinking. It seems like it will have to be on the web in some way.

At this point I can see that it needs to be aimed at the folks in the middle, not at the anitgun nuts. It needs to be informative and an open discussion.

It needs to be about the distinction between danger of irrational people with weapons and the lack of danger from rational people with weapons trained for SD.

It seems like some of the information is about how do you recognize the behaviors of an irrational person that might be a threat. As well as what do you do if you think you found one.

It has to be not "preaching to the choir". How do you reach the mainstream in a useful way.

Still just thinking out loud as i respect the conversation here.

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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2012, 02:11:07 pm »
“You cannot allow any of your people to avoid the brutal facts. If they start living in a dream world, it’s going to be bad.” Gen. James Mattis

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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2012, 03:29:18 pm »
JoeG, to share some thoughts on "changing the conversation".
While it may sound odd, we are lucky that earlier on Friday there was the knife incident in China .
Nearly the same number of casualties, but no gun involved .
It gives the lie to the "gun violence" narrative.
I commented to that effect on a news story and some liberal replied that the difference is knives injure, while guns kill .
We know that's BS, but it's easier for the uninformed to grasp if you say , that only makes a difference if you are pursuing a political agenda .
 If you want to seriously address the problem of violent attacks then there is no difference at all between attacks intended to kill people, and attacks intended to hurt people as badly as possible.
Second, as to your "audience", it's everybody. Friends, relatives, neighbors, anyone you might have a conversation with, letters to the editor, letters to your politicians .
Any time the subject comes up, or you can fit it in , keep hammering the basics,
It's not "guns", violently deranged people use whats available, if they can't buy a gun they'll steal one, if not that a knife, or home made poison gas as in the Tokyo subway attack.
The media caters to their desire for fame by turning every incident into a week long media event .
All mass attack perpetrators are messed up, it's not a "gun issue", it's a mental health issue.
Mass shootings only happen in "Gun Free Zones" where the attacker thinks his victims can't fight back .

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« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2012, 03:48:18 pm »
The shooting at the Clackamas Mall has revealed what "the people" think the solution is to these attacks on society-an armed citizenry.  Like someone mentioned before if a teacher shouldn't be armed, or can't be, should they be a teacher? 
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« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2012, 08:51:11 pm »
The shooting at the Clackamas Mall has revealed what "the people" think the solution is to these attacks on society-an armed citizenry.  Like someone mentioned before if a teacher shouldn't be armed, or can't be, should they be a teacher? 

I read that there was a CCW carrier at the Clackamas Mall and he had his weapon readied, but could not take a shot due to an innocent bystander behind the shooter. He said it was too big a risk if he missed.
Too bad he didn't have a clear shot.
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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2012, 12:07:45 am »
Evidently this situation was a little different than many others, but I/m starting to wonder what mental health medication these guys are on. Is there a drug company that has something that's got much worse side effects than they admit to...that causes maniacal behavior? Will scumbag lawyers be running ads in two years..."if you took so and so and killed your mom and dad, you may be entitled to compensation".
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Re: Connecticut school shooting
« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2012, 01:57:51 am »
What isn't being brought up in all of this talk of more gun control, is the fact we've already had an Assault Weapons Ban. It was in effect for 10 years, and it did nothing. Especially in preventing matters like this. In fact last Saturdays edition of the Arizona Republic, (yet another liberal rag), listed in a chronological order, all of these school and mass shootings. There were just as many when the AWB was in effect from 1994 to 2004, as there were after. Of course the flaming liberals will not mention that.
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