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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on April 14, 2017, 03:51:00 PM
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What does your crystal ball tell you?
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the fat little slob in north korea is looking for another hand out,He makes threats and the UN offers him money(that we end up paying) to be quiet for a while,which he does,until he runs out of cash. I think China will take him out before we do.
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If he pushes it, I'd think the best first move by Trump would be to stop all trade with N. Korea and with any country that does trade with them.
Don't know of any that do for sure except China, and they would not be please with anyone who jeopardized their trade with us.
And if it came to an armed showdown, I think China would prefer to take him out than risk a war with us or needing to weasel out of of protecting an ally with the risk of war.
China is about the size of the US and probably near 90% of their population lives on the coast...for sure a vast majority of their industry is there...easy targets
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China also has no laws restricting them from killing the little phuque!
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China refused several ship loads of coal from NK the day after Trumps talks with their leader.
Said they didn't need NK coal, the US would take care of them (more US jobs ).
The best thing would be for the South to invade behind a barrage of MRE's and Rice balls.
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I just read that a number of NK soldiers are being investigated for jokes about L'i'l Kim, comparing him to a kindergartner and suggesting that he is mentally ill. Another joke lumped him in with his grand father and father and referred to them as "Kim squared." Link: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/04/14/Report-North-Korea-soldiers-face-punishment-for-Kim-Jong-Un-jokes/8141492181723/
When the only folks in the whole country who aren't going to bed hungry start ridiculing you, time could be ripe for an internal insurrection.
It would not surprise me if Kim found himself out of a job and into a grave, courtesy of the oppressed NK people and their army.
Crusader Rabbit
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Thing is, in NK the troops are only less starved than the population. The only ones who actually get "enough" are the very top elites.
Those jokers better be careful or they'll be looking down 40 mm barrels like his uncle.
Thing is, if he gets wacked it will just result in fighting between party and Army leaders who really aren't any better.
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Thing is, in NK the troops are only less starved than the population. The only ones who actually get "enough" are the very top elites.
Those jokers better be careful or they'll be looking down 40 mm barrels like his uncle.
Thing is, if he gets wacked it will just result in fighting between party and Army leaders who really aren't any better.
They probably can't be much worse either.
So any fighting will do in a few of them at least. Not a big improvement, but it kills some time and candidates before someone gets in a position to make a fool of themselves on the world stage again.
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I don't believe that we will strike them or anything more than that, but I don't believe that it will be status quo. I think Pres. DJT has sent a message by sending war ships to the area, and by discussing with China that they become more involved.
Now here is the bigger question: Did our President ask China to police their region, or did he put China on notice that it is time for them to consider which side they wish to find themselves on?
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that's the several trillion dollar question.
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I don't believe that we will strike them or anything more than that, but I don't believe that it will be status quo. I think Pres. DJT has sent a message by sending war ships to the area, and by discussing with China that they become more involved.
Now here is the bigger question: Did our President ask China to police their region, or did he put China on notice that it is time for them to consider which side they wish to find themselves on?
Perhaps he did both. Asked China if they wished to clean up their neighborhood or if the wanted us to do it....and if we do it, we will see with which side you choose to stand.
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Now the little jerk has popped another nuke. This one is fairly large. North Korea says it can fit this nuke onto one of their ICBM's....maybe that's true.
I'm certain Obama downplayed the danger and now we have a larger problem because Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama essentially did nothing about North Korea.
A primary function of government is to protect it's people and the previous 28 years of US Administrations essentially did nothing. In fact, they sent or allowed food, money and energy (crude oil) to be used as a bribe to quiet the loud mouth running the country when he started sabre rattling....all to kick the can down the road for this inevitable point in time. This action was actually aid and comfort to the enemy.
Now, if we believe North Korean reports, North Korea can strike our cities with a 100 kiliton weapon from an ICBM launched from North Korea. They also have SLBM's which may be tipped with nukes. We are entering the blackmail phase of the relationship. They threaten to flatten San Francisco or the the world (that would be us, the USA) pays them off.
I don't buy that China is really helping us yet despite China's rhetoric condemning North Korea's hermit king. They want the world's focus to drift off those islands they are illegally arming to control the sea lanes.
It's gut check time for our nation and the world. Anything short of a military strike has to, in my opinion, include an economic embargo of China. An economic embargo of China would be extremely painful for all nations since so much product the world uses now comes from their cheap labor camps.
And there's other options. Put nukes back on the Korean peninsula. Another...and I really hate this one...encourage Japan to rearm. A reactivation of the Japanese military is of great concern to China; as I think it should be for us as well.
This North Korea nuclear missile program is out of hand and has initiated the need for a strong response. Just what that response will entail...we've yet to see.
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Shorty has stated that the United States will feel the fury, that they intend to be able to strike anywhere in the United States, and they continue to test stronger and stronger vehicles and have begun to increase actual warhead testing. How can this not be viewed as a threat to our nation by anyone, anywhere in the world or our nation's capital.? It is time for Pres. DJT to discuss and inform all in the Asian region that we will not stand for this credible threat, and that they have a set timeline to do something concrete, or WE WILL destroy the North Korean ability to produce these warheads and vehicles with sure and certain finality.
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Which will result in a unified North Korea unless China floods in the peasants.
This time, they won't be able to tell the peasants they are inside China....too much internet information despite communist control efforts.
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I don't trust the Chicoms but they are at least having to publicly say they are cutting NK off. Even if it is a phoney policy, isolating NK from banks and money, it's a significant change. We (Trump) may have gotten inside their OODA Loop and they aren't ready to take us on yet.
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Things just stepped up a notch. South Korea has now seized 2 oil/product tankers and has impounded them in a harbor.
I'm hearing the drums getting closer.
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Things just stepped up a notch. South Korea has now seized 2 oil/product tankers and has impounded them in a harbor.
I'm hearing the drums getting closer.
Like Michael Bane says. Tic-toc, tic-toc. Although he is usually referring to SHTF here in the U.S.
The activity has increased in NK and now also in Iran.. Time to keep your eyes open.......
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If it does come down to a shooting match, I'd say that the right single death would end it...
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This thread started 8 months ago and we still at the saber rattling stage.
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The sabre-rattling will never go away. The Kim's just need to go.
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The sabre-rattling will never go away. The Kim's just need to go.
Yep..... What he said!
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The sabre-rattling will never go away. The Kim's just need to go.
Exactly.
Do we remember how Qaddafi became a well mannered and cautious leader after Reagan bombed his palace? Something in that close call struck a cord with him and he behaved... before the previous admin. decided a non-threat to us needed to be replaced.
Were I in charge, before I'd risk large numbers of North Korean citizens as collateral damage, I'd look into options targeting Kim...even if it might not be PC.
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Exactly.
Do we remember how Qaddafi became a well mannered and cautious leader after Reagan bombed his palace? Something in that close call struck a cord with him and he behaved... before the previous admin. decided a non-threat to us needed to be replaced.
Were I in charge, before I'd risk large numbers of North Korean citizens as collateral damage, I'd look into options targeting Kim...even if it might not be PC.
I believe we killed one of his son's in that attack?????
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I believe we killed one of his son's in that attack?????
One of his daughters I recall. A young one..but I think it may have been disproved and was faked.
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He "adopted" her after she had died, was just a scam to get sympathy.
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He "adopted" her after she had died, was just a scam to get sympathy.
So my memory serves even at my ripe ol age?
:)
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He "adopted" her after she had died, was just a scam to get sympathy.
At least it he wasn't trying an insurance scam ;D ;D ;D
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Looks like "Something Else" is going to be the right answer.
We'll see.
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I'm thinking that Trump Grandstanded the trade inequities between China and us. They are way in favor of China and Trump was talking about changing them to make up for the one sided deal of the past.
This would hurt China immensely since they are struggling to attract investors and a cut in income would drastically hurt the service they could p rovide investore.
As you probably have heard, Trump is lightening up on the trade repercussions against China just as Korea has backed off it's threats of world war and is agreeing to dismantling it's nuclear program (to be seen).
Now the ONLY voice Lil Kim would possibly listen to would be it's big daddy China.
I do believe China put the pressure on N. Korea at Trump's suggestion that it would make the new trade agreement less of a catastrophe for China.
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Well, how do you guys think this meeting in Singapore is going to go....or will it go? I think at most we'll see the armistice go to the side with an end to the declaration of war. Then there will be a path to getting rid of nukes and maybe a hold on ICBM testing and development.
Regardless, after 3 decades of abject failure this is a lot better than the path we were on for the last 4 administrations. I'll give Reagan a pass for the cold war work he did....
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I think we are going to see more of what we have witnessed over the last couple months: There will be lots of posturing, and Trump will not put up with any BS. I will be shocked if Trump doesn't walk out at some point. Keep in mind, it is his hardball and willingness to walk away that has gotten us to this point. Remember this winter when he threatened, and everyone said he just doomed us to nuclear war when he said he had a button that worked on his desk? What happened quickly?
This is step one in a looooooooooooong process, but we have a President in office that many are afraid is strong enough to stand up to their little threats.