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Title: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: Tyler Durden on December 15, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
Hi all,

After the Aurora shooting, I think there was a thread here where somebody posted a link to a fictional story about a "handler" who would go around and recruit "patsies" to commit mass shootings.  The story was from the handler's point of view.  IIRC, he had some guy working as a barista at some coffee shop.  They exchanged pleasantries as the handler was a customer at the coffee shop.  Then to set the bait the handler made some political comment.  The patsie fell for it.  So on and so forth...

Anybody got that link?
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: jaybet on December 15, 2012, 06:38:58 AM
I'm the last guy to sign up for a hairbrained conspiracy, but knowing how this bunch of creeps operates, this idea actually has occurred to me. I keep pushing it away - it's too bizarre and terrible - BUT...more bizarre things have happened - who would believe F&F if you suggested they might be up to THAT?.
That's all I'm going to say. A passing crazy thought.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 15, 2012, 08:21:11 AM
It may not be so crazy.
Think about all the "Domestic terror" arrests that have made the news.
How many times have these been based on the FBI facilitating some one who had expressed strong Muslim opinions ?
They make the approach as "Al Queda members", they help with training and technology, they help with target selection, they supply the presumed explosives, and then they take credit for thwarting a plot that never would have existed with out them.
It's common knowledge that RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan was "conditioned" to act as he did .
Who knows what "caring friend" may be whispering into some nuts ear .
With the current state of Govt surveillance , both technology and application, it is not that difficult to find potential tools.
Then all it takes is finding the right button to push to set them off.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 15, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
" It's common knowledge that RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan was "conditioned" to act as he did . "

Only among conspiracy buffs. The manchurian candidate was a movie, and ONLY a movie.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 15, 2012, 10:49:42 AM
" It's common knowledge that RFK assassin Sirhan Sirhan was "conditioned" to act as he did . "

Only among conspiracy buffs. The manchurian candidate was a movie, and ONLY a movie.

You obviously do not follow political violence .
There have been multiple psychological reports released finding that Sirhan Sirhan's mind had been messed with .

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-kennedys-killer-sirhan-sirhan-brainwashed/story?id=13029050#.UMyo06y3xnE

http://www.whale.to/b/west_q.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-assassination-of-rfk-a-time-for-justice/31450

Even the Discovery Channel covered it for crying out loud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaF6pW45d0o  (part 1 of 11 )
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 15, 2012, 11:09:51 AM
Yeah , yeah ,yeah and those weren't passenger planes that hit the Twin Towers but remote controlled explosive filled missiles. Same with the missile that hit the pentagon.

 That a persons mind can be programed to commit murder only happens in SciFi movies and comic books. It makes a good story on TV, hence the examples you provide. But no credible evidence.   
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: Tyler Durden on December 15, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
And our government didn't smuggle guns to Mexican drug cartels leading to the murder of at least on US Border Patrol agent.

And the sleepy little town I grew up has two or three heroin overdoses each year for at least the past 5 years straight and we are involved in a war or occupation of the country that grows the most poppy.  I'm sure it's all just one big coincidence.

Anywhoo... Getting back on topic.  I am not relating anything in my thread here to the shootings that happened this week.  I'm just saying someone posted a link to a Clancy-ish fictional account by a "handler" of how he recruited "patsies".

Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 15, 2012, 12:43:02 PM
DGF, You really need to get out more.
What do you think is the whole theory behind psychotherapy ?
Changing a persons behavior by changing the way they think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

http://lifehacker.com/5886571/brainwashing-techniques-you-encounter-every-day-and-how-to-avoid-them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing:_The_Science_of_Thought_Control

Then of course there's the proven fact that the US govt was working with this decades ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13inmate_ProjectMKULTRA.pdf

Might want to pay special attention to that last one.
It's the Senate Intelligence Committee report


Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 15, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
" And our government didn't smuggle guns to Mexican drug cartels leading to the murder of at least on US Border Patrol agent."

Yes they did. Proven fact. Love facts.

Mind control? Make someone murder a specific person? Hogwash! SciFi junk. Is Bobby Kennedy was the only person in history that this happened to? If it works so well why haven't there been so many more. Why is anyone we don't like still alive? Why aren't we sending all the Gitmo guys back to El Quedaland to bump off their leaders?
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: jaybet on December 16, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
Can anybody say, "Jonestown"? Or maybe, how do they get all of these Islamic humps to blow their own dumbasses up?
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 16, 2012, 10:51:06 AM
Jay, according to DGF that's all Sci Fi BS.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: Magoo541 on December 16, 2012, 05:59:07 PM
Yeah , yeah ,yeah and those weren't passenger planes that hit the Twin Towers but remote controlled explosive filled missiles. Same with the missile that hit the pentagon.

 That a persons mind can be programed to commit murder only happens in SciFi movies and comic books. It makes a good story on TV, hence the examples you provide. But no credible evidence.   

Not so much program but humans do some funny things to "fit in"- just look at any teenager (I know I have 4  :'( ).

The desire to be a member of a group has been studied and the dynamics within those relationships can alter a person's perception.  Manipulating others for one's own benefit has been going on since the beginning of time and will until the end of time.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 16, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
What's that behavior experiment Tyler often refers to , about electrocuting subjects who give wrong answers ?
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 17, 2012, 04:51:13 AM
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 17, 2012, 08:13:20 AM
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt .
Your factless post still hasn't addressed suicide bombers, which is the textbook example of "programming someone to murder".
Wake up and smell the Semtex, your "hogwash" is reality in many countries.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: jnevis on December 17, 2012, 09:56:41 AM
So, now we are changing the subject from "Mind Control", programming someone to commit murder to talking people into doing things. Yes a really good salesman can sell you a car or a "Popiel Pocket Fisherman". And yes  the Koreans did a real good job of keeping their POWs docile durring that war. A long, long way from programing Sirhan Sirhan to killl Kennedy.

Again no answer to the question that if it can be done, why isn't it being done? Of course the response is; " How do you know it isn't being done?" That response being accompanied by the theme from the Twilight zone. As I say HOGWASH.

OK, I was going to stay out of this one but I can't stand it any longer.

Training may not "brainwash" a person to target a specific individual, but any significant training doctrine has some level of desensitization to killing to be effecitve, whether it's force on force Simunition/paintball, or using human shaped pop-up targets for soldiers.  The miilitary teaches to visualize the threat as "just another day at the range."  Even USPSA/IDPA has a target shaped to simulate a person to give the shooter a presentation they would see if in a true shooting.  It's tenuious to say its mind control, but does have a level of mind manipulation. 

Desensitization to shooting/harming a human shaped target gives those on the fringes less inhibition to doing it IRL.  Look at those that role-play D&D type games live and can't seperate real from the game.  Call of Duty and all the other first person shooters have some of the same effect.  Does everybody go out and shoot up a group of people after playing it, no.  Are they less likely to be shocked if they witness violence up close, probably.
 
Again, military training is designed to ilicit a programmed response.  Top Gun was developed to give Navy fighter pilots ten dogfights in a controlled environment prior to deploying to a combat zone, so they could have experience "what it was like" before they had to do it for real.  Any other excersise or training evolution for military and police is designed same way.  Some people treat first person shooters like that.  How many of these nut-jobs have been heavy into online gaming?  Could there be some connection?  A fragile mind is predisposed to doing things most wouldn't consider, if they've had enough stimulous.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: blackwolfe on December 17, 2012, 12:38:47 PM
I think that if you look at court records you'll find many examples of a strong, dominating, controlling, individuals, "a handler" that steers a weaker, unstable, mentally deficient person, "a patsy" so to speak to do their bidding including murder.  Individuals with poor self esteem, a socially inept person, and others with the right psychological precursors may be "programmed" with the right skills.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 17, 2012, 12:50:30 PM
" Training may not "brainwash" a person to target a specific individual........"  Exactly!

I do agree with the rest of your post jnevis. People can be influenced by a person with a strong personality. As I said, some people are born salesmen and can sell ice to the eskimos but they cannot "Program" a person to commit murder.

Please submit real evidence that Sirhan was programed. It is a Theory and remains a theory held close by conspiracy buffs. Try and convince a 911 Truther that Bush and company didn't bring down the twin towers using Thermite. The Sirhan myth belongs in the same camp as the Truthers.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 17, 2012, 12:51:20 PM
Like gangbanger wannabe's ?
In other words DGF's "sci Fi fantasy" is actually pretty common.   ::)
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: blackwolfe on December 17, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
Semantics!
Brainwashing, programming, what ever you want to call it, an individual can influence another to kill a specific person or commit a specific act.  Read a newspaper  or watch some court TV.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: DGF on December 17, 2012, 08:22:23 PM
Again, wheres the evidence? Lets talk facts. Lets hear them. Mind control.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: tombogan03884 on December 17, 2012, 08:44:04 PM
Again, wheres the evidence? Lets talk facts. Lets hear them. Mind control.

 If Congressional testimony wasn't good enough for you I'm not wasting any more time on you.
Title: Re: Tin foil hat derp: looking for link, MK ULTRA/mind control???
Post by: Tyler Durden on December 17, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
It is a pretty well known fact that the CIA experimented on various people including soldiers by administering them LSD.  Come to find out that they also used a drug called scopolamine.

Just on a tangent, there are a couple of St. louis related cases.

The first is the Army hiring out contractors to spray zinc cadmium sulfide in the 1960's/1970's around a black housing project:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/339573/3/I-Team-The-Armys-secret-Cold-War-experiments-on-St-Louisans-

The second is about brainwashing by a civilian doctor who was implanting false memories in women:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=288875

This is a 35 minute long youtube video documentary about the effects scopolamine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04&feature=youtube_gdata_player