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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: gunman42782 on August 09, 2011, 09:31:37 AM
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OMG! STOP THE PRESSES! Different sights, a thumrest grip, and a bad finish on a platform that's been unchanged since Christ was a child. ::)
.357 as a "backwoods gun"? "backyard gun" maybe. This industry's laziness is sickening. >:(
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I like the WC Colt except for the Novak sights...I prefer his flat blade target type. The Ruger looks interesting...except for the sights. Wonder what S&W has up it's sleeve?
JMHOFWIW
Richard
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.357 as a "backwoods gun"? "backyard gun" maybe. This industry's laziness is sickening. >:(
357s have been stopping 250+ pound bad guys since before you were in diapers.
Why would the "backwoods" be any different?
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The largest Grizzly ever killed was dropped by an Eskimo woman with a single shot .22lr.
At least .357 makes a LOT of noise. LOTS of animals will run from that alone. Take what you think is best. ;)
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I like it.
It doesn't look that much different than the one in my gun safe.
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BM, The .357 magnum has been used to take every game animal on the continent.
You don't like the reliability of the AR, You seem to have issues with the 1911, and now you insinuate that .357 "isn't enough gun. (the 3 top selling guns in the country )
I thought it took a liberal to be that much of a disagreeable pr!ck.
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Just tell me what .357 does that .44 doesn't do better? :-\
Because a gun is popular makes it good? Oh my... :(
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It conceals for starters, and weighs considerably less.
No BM most guns become popular because they do what they are built for well.
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Just tell me what .357 does that .44 doesn't do better? :-\
Because a gun is popular makes it good? Oh my... :(
It costs less to shoot because .38 is cheaper than .44 special? Also at the time it was designed, .38 was the default cop gun, so in that sense it was like buying a 9mm or a .40 today. However I will grant you that all things being equal, if I were starting from scratch for a woods/nightstand gun, a .44 would make more sense. However, a .454 would be even smarter as .45 Colt is cheaper than .44. However, I can find .38 and .357 easier than any of the alternatives. The fact that its popular makes it popular (sort of like Paris Hilton). ;D
FQ13
PS I am not talking concealability as we are discussing a full frame revolver, but oh yeah, there is the pocket pistol in the same caliber issue as well.
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For many years I did conceal carry a N frame Smith, it was grip dimensions, not concealability issues, that led me to change to a K frame.
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Any point made in defense of the .357 against a .44 could also be said about .22lr. X10. ;)
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Been on a Rocky River, NC Camp/Canoe Trip for 12 days. Ran into a drowned cow, flipped our canoe after a thunderstorm. Except for our matches/lighters/cigs/ and "have to stay dry stuff",in Ziplocs,...everything else including my Ruger Police Service Six, were soaked/submerged.
After finally making camp after our first 9 hours getting soaked to the bone, a few shakes and wipes, and test firing, made me a believer in the .357 as a camp/backwoods pistol.
Wet, submerged Federal 158 gr. JHP's went bang everytime, after a quick air-dry. My Ruger, was as reliable in function as if I just oiled and cleaned it.
Whether two or four legs, I had no disconcerting issues carrying the .357. It still maintains a 90+ % one shot stop legacy, and is quite adequate.
That and the .45 Colt. However, I believe the .357 carries a flatter trajectory at longer ranges.
There are the "backwoods" calibers that work.
Minimum needed:
.357
.44
.45 Colt
Sure exotics, like the .454 Casull/ .460 S&W/ .480/.500 work, but a good ol' .357,....well,..I'm partial... ;)
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The .357 augument is coming from someone that carries a .380
Let's see now, do I feel more under gunned with my .357 mag than my .380.............
decisions, decisions.
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The .357 augument is coming from someone that carries a .380
Let's see now, do I feel more under gunned with my .357 mag than my .380.............
decisions, decisions.
Who would that be ?
I carry a .32 as a BUG or when I can't carry my 1911
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Arguing common sense with the Badger will lead to a blood spot on the wall where you'll start banging your head!
For the most part, in the eastern 2/3 of this continent, a .357 makes quite an acceptable "backwoods" gun. Tom is correct, the .357 magnum has taken every large and dangerous game on the North American continent by a fella named Colonel Wesson and with a handgun! I believe he had to shoot the brown bear twice though...
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This now makes two (count 'em, two) guns with Wiley Clapp's name attached that I'd like to have.
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For the most part, in the eastern 2/3 of this continent, a .357 makes quite an acceptable "backwoods" gun.
Also include the entire lower half. (excluding Myrtle Beach where there are a plethora of large brown bears ::))
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Also include the entire lower half. (excluding Myrtle Beach where there are a plethora of large brown bears ::))
Man I needed that laugh after today.....THANKS!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Also include the entire lower half. (excluding Myrtle Beach where there are a plethora of large brown bears ::))
Is that a racist comment? Well, I'd still say their easily a minority. :-\ Why you gotta be like that?!? ;D
Exactly what's the "most deadly game" in AZ? Rabid ground squirrel? Road pizza armadillo? Mexican drug lord! I thought they were all about 9mm? ;D
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Lookin for a compact frame .44?
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=207&category=Revolver&toggle=tr&breadcrumbseries=UL2 (http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=207&category=Revolver&toggle=tr&breadcrumbseries=UL2)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/444MULTI-S-S-2.jpg)
I think S&W has one to.
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Is that a racist comment? Well, I'd still say their easily a minority. :-\ Why you gotta be like that?!? ;D
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Exactly what's the "most deadly game" in AZ? Rabid ground squirrel? Road pizza armadillo? Mexican drug lord!
I guess in AZ it would be a toss up between mountain lion and Mexican drug lord. I'd rather face the mountain lion. At least they don't have ATF approved AKs. ;)
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For many years I did conceal carry a N frame Smith, it was grip dimensions, not concealability issues, that led me to change to a K frame.
I carried a M-58 IWB for some time. It wore standard service grip panels and a Tyler T-Grip. The .41 alternated with a Charter Bulldog Pug or M-649 when I felt the need for "ultimate concealment." Looking back, it wasn't comfortable but it was done without ever raising the eye of LE.
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For the most part, in the eastern 2/3 of this continent, a .357 makes quite an acceptable "backwoods" gun.
Sometimes I wonder about that in my home state of Pennsylvania. Keystone black bear have topped 800 lbs. as shown in the link below. Four and five hundred pounders are not at all unusual. That's a lot of bruin to stop with 180-grain bullets at any distance beyond shoving the gun into his mouth and pulling the trigger. I routinely carry a 3" .357 when hiking or camping but often think about upgrading to a pre-lock .44 or .45 Mountain Gun if one crossed my path and I had the money to afford it.
http://blogs.wvgazette.com/johnmccoy/2010/11/20/possible-world-record-black-bear-killed-in-pa/ (http://blogs.wvgazette.com/johnmccoy/2010/11/20/possible-world-record-black-bear-killed-in-pa/)
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Sometimes I wonder about that in my home state of Pennsylvania. Keystone black bear have topped 800 lbs. as shown in the link below. Four and five hundred pounders are not at all unusual. That's a lot of bruin to stop with 180-grain bullets at any distance beyond shoving the gun into his mouth and pulling the trigger. I routinely carry a 3" .357 when hiking or camping but often think about upgrading to a pre-lock .44 or .45 Mountain Gun if one crossed my path and I had the money to afford it.
http://blogs.wvgazette.com/johnmccoy/2010/11/20/possible-world-record-black-bear-killed-in-pa/ (http://blogs.wvgazette.com/johnmccoy/2010/11/20/possible-world-record-black-bear-killed-in-pa/)
I said "acceptable" Bill, not "preferred"!
;D
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So Ruger releases another revolver with different sights? Was that supposed to get us excited or something? I think I will go shoot my Glock now..... ;D
But seriously, who really cares? I don't.....ZZZzzzzzzzzz
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BM what did the .357 mag ever do to you? It seem like you hate that round or something. Hell my model 73 has taken at least 8 or more hogs. My sp101 made short work of two angry coyotes this year, I see nothing wrong with this round. My gp100 with its six barrel stopped 343 lb hog dead with one clean shot.
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BM what did the .357 mag ever do to you? It seem like you hate that round or something. Hell my model 73 has taken at least 8 or more hogs. My sp101 made short work of two angry coyotes this year, I see nothing wrong with this round. My gp100 with its six barrel stopped 343 lb hog dead with one clean shot.
Look, I love the round. I sold my BlackHawk only because I had to. :'( Next gun I buy is probably going to be a BFR. A GP100 will be the first one I look at, but .44 mag and .454 will get a longer look. All three will be evaluated in terms of a two gun pistol/carbine hunting and SD package. I'll have to wait on the carbine, but I can start with the pistol.
FQ13
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I recently went on a little day hike, packing a .357, thinking the biggest thing I'd come across was a black bear. Coming down, I came upon a young male moose that was large enough to make my .357 feel really small. My 3 inch 629 would have possibly made me a little more comfortable, but I know I can always get good hits with a .357. The moose and I both went home safely to our families.
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I see the round as completely useless.
Again, the biggest Grizzly ever killed went down from a .22lr single shot... So what. Stories of "I killed an elephant with my .357" don't mean sh!#. Any game you can think of has been killed with far less. What matters is the overall performance of the caliber when compared to what else is available.
There's nothing .357 can do another round can't do better. .44mag is only one of the choices when looking for something superior. If you show me something that is more practical and performs better overall than .44... :o I'll sell mine and go buy the better product. It's that simple. I won't cling to something I know to be inferior because I might lose a few bucks in the trade, sentimental attachment, or anything else stupid.
Truth - Sometimes it hurts. Learn from it, and move on. OR, as is often the case when pride gets involved. Get pi$$ed off, rant and rave, remove all doubt. :-\
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I see the round as completely useless.
Again, the biggest Grizzly ever killed went down from a .22lr single shot... So what. Stories of "I killed an elephant with my .357" don't mean sh!#. Any game you can think of has been killed with far less. What matters is the overall performance of the caliber when compared to what else is available.
There's nothing .357 can do another round can't do better. .44mag is only one of the choices when looking for something superior. If you show me something that is more practical and performs better overall than .44... :o I'll sell mine and go buy the better product. It's that simple. I won't cling to something I know to be inferior because I might lose a few bucks in the trade, sentimental attachment, or anything else stupid.
Truth - Sometimes it hurts. Learn from it, and move on. OR, as is often the case when pride gets involved. Get pi$$ed off, rant and rave, remove all doubt. :-\
That's a shame, it speaks well of you .
Then why do you bother with your .44 Mag ? Are you compensating for a lack somewhere else ?
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Then I guess we should all have ICBM's in our backyards. ::)
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Then I guess we should all have ICBM's in our backyards. ::)
BM will say that's stupid since you can do the same thing with a pencil in your pocket. ::)
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BM will say that's stupid since you can do the same thing with a pencil in your pocket. ::)
Well, at least HE could. The rest of us are just not as skilled and smart as he is. :-[
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BM will say that's stupid since you can do the same thing with a pencil in your pocket. ::)
You can, you just have to fly over there and poke a whole lot of people to death with it. It takes awhile. ;D
FQ13 (sorry Badger, I couldn't resist) ;)
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BM will say that's stupid since you can do the same thing with a pencil in your pocket. ::)
You need a pencil? ;D ;D ;D
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I'm just sayin, if I know I'm using an inferior tool. I replace it. And would feel stupid if I didn't. That's all a gun is. A TOOL.
Before you start ;). My wife hasn't divorced me yet! ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe she had low expectations.
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Good for her! ;D
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Good for her! ;D
Actually, good for you. It goes to the old joke. Eight out of ten women say they have faked an orgasm. Ten out of ten men wonder why. ;D ;D ;D
FQ13
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Actually, good for you. It goes to the old joke. Eight out of ten women say they have faked an orgasm. Ten out of ten men wonder why. ;D ;D
Because they think we care?? ;)
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Well I guess that settles that...I'm just going to throw my Model 19 and 28 in the trash. They just ain't as good as the 629s.
Might as well dump the rimfires, 223s, 7.62x39s, 30-30s and the 308 because they aren't as powerful as the 30-06s.
Too bad about the 308, I haven't even gotten the upper back from Krieger yet..... oh, don't forget to trash those 38s, 9mms, 40s and 45s too, because some yahoo thinks that the only gun worth carrying has to be heavy as hell and has to be in a larger caliber. I better get a list started!
Screw it! I"m going all in and junk the 30-06s too! (and to think that one with the Shilen barrel only has about 350 rds through it)
They don't do anything that a 338 UltraMag or 460 Weatherby won't do better! ::) ::)
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Because they think we care?? ;)
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Well I guess that settles that...I'm just going to throw my Model 19 and 28 in the trash. They just ain't as good as the 629s.
Might as well dump the rimfires, 223s, 7.62x39s, 30-30s and the 308 because they aren't as powerful as the 30-06s.
Too bad about the 308, I haven't even gotten the upper back from Krieger yet..... oh, don't forget to trash those 38s, 9mms, 40s and 45s too, because some yahoo thinks that the only gun worth carrying has to be heavy as hell and has to be in a larger caliber. I better get a list started!
Screw it! I"m going all in and junk the 30-06s too! (and to think that one with the Shilen barrel only has about 350 rds through it)
They don't do anything that a 338 UltraMag or 460 Weatherby won't do better! ::) ::)
Krieger and Shilen are junk.....might as well have the Kriger folks send that trashy old thing to me for uh, er, 'proper disposal'.....and I'll do away with the one with the Shilen barrel too....just for good measure. ;) ;) ;)
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Thanks Peg! You are SUCH a help!! ;D
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Thanks Peg! You are SUCH a help!! ;D
I, sir, feel duty-bound to offer assistance when I can. ;)
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I see the round as completely useless.
Again, the biggest Grizzly ever killed went down from a .22lr single shot... So what. Stories of "I killed an elephant with my .357" don't mean sh!#. Any game you can think of has been killed with far less. What matters is the overall performance of the caliber when compared to what else is available.
There's nothing .357 can do another round can't do better. .44mag is only one of the choices when looking for something superior. If you show me something that is more practical and performs better overall than .44... :o I'll sell mine and go buy the better product. It's that simple. I won't cling to something I know to be inferior because I might lose a few bucks in the trade, sentimental attachment, or anything else stupid.
Truth - Sometimes it hurts. Learn from it, and move on. OR, as is often the case when pride gets involved. Get pi$$ed off, rant and rave, remove all doubt. :-\
kmitch, DING DING DING! We have a winner. "Remove all doubt" of what do you suppose? Yeah, well proven. ::)
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Because they think we care?? ;)
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Well I guess that settles that...I'm just going to throw my Model 19 and 28 in the trash. They just ain't as good as the 629s.
Might as well dump the rimfires, 223s, 7.62x39s, 30-30s and the 308 because they aren't as powerful as the 30-06s.
Too bad about the 308, I haven't even gotten the upper back from Krieger yet..... oh, don't forget to trash those 38s, 9mms, 40s and 45s too, because some yahoo thinks that the only gun worth carrying has to be heavy as hell and has to be in a larger caliber. I better get a list started!
Screw it! I"m going all in and junk the 30-06s too! (and to think that one with the Shilen barrel only has about 350 rds through it)
They don't do anything that a 338 UltraMag or 460 Weatherby won't do better! ::) ::)
Hang on to the rimfires Mitch, you might want to go bear hunting.
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Hang on to the rimfires Mitch, you might want to go bear hunting.
Badger, as a fellow airgunner you know I like you man, so this is not personal. But dude, that was funny right there! ;D
FQ13 who would look at .44 mag along with .357 were I gun shopping today.
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Badger, your many comments on this thread are so much crap, that I didn't know which one(s) to quote to show the lack of logic and consistent train of thought to your bigger is better philosophy. A train which apparently has no caboose.
You should probably get rid of the wimpy .44 as there are far more powerful handgun cartridges available such as the .454, .460, .475, .500 and others. Forget the rim fire for squirrel hunting, the 50 BMG will kill them deader. Forget that air rifle and pick up a .338 Lapua magnum to repel the hoard of toxic zombie toads that Quaker is sending your way. It will kill them deader. You can tell how much deader they are just by looking at them.
Just earlier this evening I read on another internet sight that the largest polar bear ever taken was killed by an Eskimo women with a .22. So now we have both the largest Grizz and polar bears ever taken both by Eskimo women with .22s. I guess that goes along with the native women who out of frustration fired a single shot at the elephant rampaging in her garden and killed it. I know that is true, because I read it on the internet. I'm not saying that your statement about the largest Grizz taken by an Eskimo woman isn't true, but please supply some reference to the record kill.
By your own admission, a firearm is a tool. There are many tools that will get the job done and done well. Some tools may be bigger and more powerful, but may not necessarily be the best tool for the job.
By the way I just had a conversation this last weekend with a retired Air Force colonel friend of mine that is an Alaskan bush pilot.
He owns an extensive collection of firearms and can afford anything that goes bang. His sidearm of choice that he has successfully defended against a Grizz attack with is a Ruger Security Six in .357 with a six inch barrel. He shot the second with a .44 and mentioned how much deader it was, you could tell just by looking at it that it was much deader.
Excuse me now while I exterminate the ants invading my kitchen. I'm using a thermal nuclear device as it kills them so much deader than Raid. I can tell just by looking at them.
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Lead the horse to water and its just to stupid with pride to drink... ::) I only hope your little fit of rage is whats preventing you from "getting it". Not that your seriously this dense. :(
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I guess I'm just dense. :-\
It's like digging a hole for a septic tank in the back yard.
Best solution is to use a back-hoe.
But, what if you can't get a back-hoe into the back yard (or it cost too much to rent)?
Try a Bobcat with a bucket attachment.
It is a happy medium (both logistically and financially in most cases).
Worse case scenario, what if that won't work out either?
If all else fails, you might have to use a shovel.
See the whole .44>.357>.22 comparison here.
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Hang on to the rimfires Mitch, you might want to go bear hunting.
Is there such a thing as a "laughing so hard I pissed my pants" smiley?
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Is there such a thing as a "laughing so hard I pissed my pants" smiley?
There surely ought to be. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Bear Claw Chris Lapp: "Can you skin Griz, pilgim?"
Jeremiah Johnson: "I can skin most anything."
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: "You sure are cocky for a starvin' pilgrim."
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: "Well there she be. Go inside get yourself warm, get yourself something to eat. I've got a chore to finish. Now boy, are you sure that you can skin Griz?"
Jeremiah Johnson: "I can skin'em as fast as you can catch'em."
Bear Claw runs through the cabin with a huge Grizzly Bear close behind and jumps out the back window.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: "Shoot that'n Pilgrim with that Beretta Bobcat in your pocket and I'll go find n'other!"
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Why in hell would anyone use a .380ACP LCP for self defense when a .357 mag GP100 does it so much better?
I think those damn little LCP's should be flushed the next time you take a BM. :D
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This now makes two (count 'em, two) guns with Wiley Clapp's name attached that I'd like to have.
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Why in hell would anyone use a .380ACP LCP for self defense when a .357 mag GP100 does it so much better?
I think those damn little LCP's should be flushed the next time you take a BM. :D
Can you carry your GP 100 or even a SP in your sock ?
How about the watch pocket of your jeans ?
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Can you carry your GP 100 or even a SP in your sock ?
How about the watch pocket of your jeans ?
short answer....yes.
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Them must be some socks.
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Them must be some socks.
and they say Cabela's on them.
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Yea, Chester from "Gunsmoke" carried a SAA in his sock! LOL
Richard
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Doesn't the .357 have a higher percentage of one shot stops than any other caliber?
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Doesn't the .357 have a higher percentage of one shot stops than any other caliber?
Yes! That discussion is around the archives somewhere.
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Doesn't the .357 have a higher percentage of one shot stops than any other caliber?
That's from Handgun Stopping Power by Evan Marshall & Ed Sanow.
Using fuzzy math and even fuzzier methodology they assigned a percentage to "one shot stops." The stats guys have stated for years that M&S used stats and conclusions that didn't make any sense.
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Mitch, somewhere in the past someone posted an article written by a Metro Coroner that pretty much confirmed the data. I never researched the validity but knowing the ballistics of the round it made sense. It is true that bullet technology is advancing pretty quickly so in the future, the data may get diluted with other calibers.
Either way, I carried a .357 snubby in a pants pocket for over a year everywhere I went with no trouble at all. If I was a scrawny little fella that might make a difference.
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.357, .44, .41, .45, .40, .22LR: All I know is I don't want to be on the business end of these little buggers no matter what.....They're all going to hurt!....
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.357, .44, .41, .45, .40, .22LR: All I know is I don't want to be on the business end of these little buggers no matter what.....They're all going to hurt!....
True...but if I was calling the shots, everyone I faced in a gunfight would be packing a Bobcat in .22 LR.
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Mitch, somewhere in the past someone posted an article written by a Metro Coroner that pretty much confirmed the data. I never researched the validity but knowing the ballistics of the round it made sense. It is true that bullet technology is advancing pretty quickly so in the future, the data may get diluted with other calibers.
It might depend on which years data. 1992, 1996 or 2000. I don't know the ins and outs of the different years but the '92 study has been thrashed - rightly so or not. I'm not into statistics so I can't look at their tables and say "Oh that's not right."
We all know placement is King above all other considerations. (well, right behind "Have a gun!)
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It might depend on which years data. 1992, 1996 or 2000. I don't know the ins and outs of the different years but the '92 study has been thrashed - rightly so or not. I'm not into statistics so I can't look at their tables and say "Oh that's not right."
We all know placement is King above all other considerations. (well, right behind "Have a gun!)
Agreed! :o ;)
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Mitch, somewhere in the past someone posted an article written by a Metro Coroner that pretty much confirmed the data. I never researched the validity but knowing the ballistics of the round it made sense. It is true that bullet technology is advancing pretty quickly so in the future, the data may get diluted with other calibers.
Either way, I carried a .357 snubby in a pants pocket for over a year everywhere I went with no trouble at all. If I was a scrawny little fella that might make a difference.
I think this is the link you referenced.
http://www.gunthorp.com/Terminal%20Ballistics%20as%20viewed%20in%20a%20morgue.htm (http://www.gunthorp.com/Terminal%20Ballistics%20as%20viewed%20in%20a%20morgue.htm)
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Interesting.
FTA;
"But then, I've seen most everything. I've seen a guy killed by a .416 Rigby, as well as a suicide to the head with a .44 Mag that didn't penetrate the skull on the other side.
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Cry and cry. Encourage me some more! :P Criticize any gun I've got. Criticize any thing I've got. I'll seriously take your opinion under consideration and decide for myself if it warrants further research. We're talking about material things here. And I'm not going to let the .357 thing go just because if I don't... At least one person here might realize that! Not act like a freaking infant, and learn God didn't put you hear to worry about your pride. Or that believe in religion or not, if you can't control your emotions, your just a silly little fool asking to be taunted and bullied! Now, lets see who can be first to throw a tantrum this time.
Waiting, waiting, and......
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Cry and cry. Encourage me some more! :P Criticize any gun I've got. Criticize any thing I've got. I'll seriously take your opinion under consideration and decide for myself if it warrants further research. We're talking about material things here. And I'm not going to let the .357 thing go just because if I don't... At least one person here might realize that! Not act like a freaking infant, and learn God didn't put you hear to worry about your pride. Or that believe in religion or not, if you can't control your emotions, your just a silly little fool asking to be taunted and bullied! Now, lets see who can be first to throw a tantrum this time.
Waiting, waiting, and......
:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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I think everyone on here is actually good people. But OMG the hippocracy!!! :o :o :o
EVERYONE on here will bitc# and moan about their "rights, and freedoms" all day long, day after day, again and again! But let FQ, step out of conformity ONCE, and OMG!!! Or if anyone says something another person disagrees with OMG!!!
Better look in the mirror LOOOONG and hard before crying so much about how bad off other people are making the world!!!
Or, just go on bein what ya are. "Dats da way I grew up, dats da way I'm gonna be!" ;)
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Time for you to take another 6 month sulk ?
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Dude, if you alone would lighten up and accept your not the only one allowed an opinion there'd be HUNDREDS more people on this board! I've talked to guys at shooting ranges about this forum. NOBODY wants to post anything primarily because of responses like you consistently give! Don't believe me? Ask around yourself. Lots of "gun guys" read stuff on here, nobody wants to deal with the attitudes though.
The constitution you supposedly live by and defend so loyally applies to other people than yourself. ::)
Now, where were we? Oh yeah, ".357 suc#s", and "dat the way I grewd up, dats da way I'z gonna be!" ;D ;D ;D
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Dude, if you alone would lighten up and accept your not the only one allowed an opinion there'd be HUNDREDS more people on this board! I've talked to guys at shooting ranges about this forum. NOBODY wants to post anything primarily because of responses like you consistently give! Don't believe me? Ask around yourself. Lots of "gun guys" read stuff on here, nobody wants to deal with the attitudes though.
The constitution you supposedly live by and defend so loyally applies to other people than yourself. ::)
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I have been on this forum since 2007 and he has been here a little longer I think. In that span of time, I managed to post over 1K entries, he has over 20 times what I have. He doesn't have a life and based on some of his posts, he's nothing but a bully/loser and a coward....
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It wasn't me calling people "sheep" and "fools" for choosing a plentiful, potent, economical cartridge,
nor was it me who made fun of handicapped people, I save my comments for alleged adults who in theory can defend themselves.
But one mention of BM's little sulk session makes me a bad person ?
Yeah, I've got 20,000 posts, and every single one of them includes my name and adress.
I don't hide behind some anonymous "screenname.
So who's the coward ?
You two whining hypocrites can kiss my ass.
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I'm not a moderator but we are getting a little away from the original post.
Richard
PS: Maybe PM's would work better...
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Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. ;D
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Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. ;D
ROFL.
Apparently not.
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Tom, your just not worth the effort. You got me to thinking though! You point out that I was gone off here for 6 months "sulking". :) Not that it may have had something to do with selling my house and moving half way across the country or anything. But yeah, you got me to thinking how much I've actually learned on here in all the time I've spent, and :(.
Ever wonder why there are what? <20 regular people on this forum opposed to other forums having hundreds, or even thousands?!? Yet when I go to a gun store and mention the "DownRange tv forum", all three people listening said the same thing. They glanced at it before, and "It just looked like a bunch of old codgers pissing and moaning about stuff".
My sympathies to the moderators!
But yes, one last thing. An IQ test! :)
Answer this one. "The world would be a better place if everyone had the exact same opinions as me?"
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I really like the looks of this Ruger alot. I would love to own one and really love the sights. Yes, it is the same thing, different day, but I appreciate the sleek look and is really cool.
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Chill Badger. I for one am glad you're back. Its all in good fun, and while this thread did get a bit ugly, you have gotten props from a lot of us on others. You tend to provide god info and interesting questions. You also are a good guy to buy from. Sorry for piling on. I want to hear about the new scope and what happens to toonces.
FQ13
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Just tell me what .357 does that .44 doesn't do better? :-\
Because a gun is popular makes it good? Oh my... :(
I read this entire thread and rather than blast you like others I'll just answer your question. So what does the .357 do that the .44 doesn't do better, well it offers some pretty strong ballistics in a concealable package. My scandium J-frame .357 (M&P 340PD) weighs under 13oz and can conceal anywhere I could put my LCP. In fact it conceals so well I just traded my LCP because I never carry it anymore. I've actually concealed it in a small side pocket in swim trunks at a water park, no shirt, just trunks. Try that with a 44. It may not have the ballistics of a 44 but you can't defend yourself against multiple assailants in swim trunks with a 44. Sure you could get a Bond Arms derringer in 44mag in around the same size but you've only got 2 shots an almost twice the weight.
Your argument could be made on so many levels, what does the 9mm do that the 40 doesn't do better? What does the 40 do that the 45 doesn't do better? What does the 45 doe that the 50AE doesn't do better? If you haven't guessed yet my point is it depends on your application. If I needed to carry and wasn't worried about weight or concealment then sure I might pick a 44 over a 357 even though in most places it's overkill. I actually would think hard in the Eastern US if I'd rather have a N frame smith in 357 with 8 shots onboard than a 44 with 6 shots and more weight. I have lever guns in both 357 and 44, my 357 has a 16" barrel and my 44 has a 20". In my past experience the 357 is a better stopper on hogs, even with the shorter barrel I get much better penetration. It's all so subjective I'd say buy and carry what you like , what your comfortable with, what you've trained with and shoot well and don't criticize others for doing the same.
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Well put bafsu92. Thank you.
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I totally agree. :)
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http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-GP100WC.htm
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Thanks for the link gunman42782. Makes me want to purchase one even more. Really digging the way the sights and grips are set up. Going to have to find someone who has it in stock and check it out.
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Thanks for the link gunman42782. Makes me want to purchase one even more. Really digging the way the sights and grips are set up. Going to have to find someone who has it in stock and check it out.
There is a blued standard on gunbroker for $425 going fast and one in SS you can grab for $475. Both look real nice and I am tempted, but I am resisting. Still, nice pistols at a more than a fair price. As far as the Wiley Clapp stuff, you can always change grips and sights.
FQ13 who hates to be the voice of Satan, but hey, I bid on one myself after reading this thread. Sorry guys, but buy one so I can read the range report. :-\ ;)
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I have the 4" SS and am sort of wishing I bought a 3" instead after seeing this one. I do love the 4" but it is just a little bulky for CC.
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Quaker, You can change sights on a standard GP100, but I don't think you can change out to the rear sight to the Novack sight like the Wiley Clapp model. It looks like you could change the front sight to the Wiley Clapp fiber optic style.
The more I look at it, the more I like it.
A number of years ago I saw a picture of an SP 101 that had been customized with a Novack style rear sight if I remember correctly. I think one of Bowen's employees did it for himself. Sure was sweet.
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http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100/models.html
At this link you can clearly see that while the standard GP front sight is dovetailed, therefore easily changed, the rear sight is not.it is the rear end of a long tab that screws to the top of the frame. In order to change to a Novack sight would require a lot of machine work.
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There is a blued standard on gunbroker for $425 going fast and one in SS you can grab for $475. Both look real nice and I am tempted, but I am resisting. Still, nice pistols at a more than a fair price. As far as the Wiley Clapp stuff, you can always change grips and sights.
FQ13 who hates to be the voice of Satan, but hey, I bid on one myself after reading this thread. Sorry guys, but buy one so I can read the range report. :-\ ;)
Do you have a link? I can't find one on gunbroker. I've searched Clapp, GP 100, Ruger Clapp, Talo, Ruger Talo etc, etc. and nothing.
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Bafsu, I think FQ means GP 100's, He said 1 was blue and the Wiley Clapp pistols are strictly SS.
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http://www.ruger.com/products/gp100/models.html
At this link you can clearly see that while the standard GP front sight is dovetailed, therefore easily changed, the rear sight is not.it is the rear end of a long tab that screws to the top of the frame. In order to change to a Novack sight would require a lot of machine work.
Here is a close-up of my rear sight.
Tom, I said my GP100 fit in my sock........ The one that say's Cabela's on it.
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LOL ;D
That top picture shows the problem nicely.
The way the sight base is recessed into the top strap means that in order to dove tail in the Novack sight you would need to mill the top strap to remove the recess before dove tailing.
If the recess is milled in during machining no big deal, but if it is rough cast in the mold it means they needed a special run of frames.
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Do you have a link? I can't find one on gunbroker. I've searched Clapp, GP 100, Ruger Clapp, Talo, Ruger Talo etc, etc. and nothing.
Sorry BASFU, I said standard in my post to mean that they were just standard GP100s. Sorry for the confusion.
FQ13
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Holy Crap this thread is crazy drama. I love it. I wish I didnt work the hours I have been or I'd be reading all this stuff on here by the minute.
Now on to the .357 vs .44 My .02 is the .357 mag was the most powerful handgun in the world till the .44 mag came around. I dont care who you are, I dont want to get shot by anything that is the most powerful. Elementary and bad grammer but yeah I said it.
They both work. I always thought people were crazy about 1911 vs glock but now I know to stay away from this one too. lol ;D
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Holy Crap this thread is crazy drama. I love it. I wish I didnt work the hours I have been or I'd be reading all this stuff on here by the minute.
Now on to the .357 vs .44 My .02 is the .357 mag was the most powerful handgun in the world till the .44 mag came around. I dont care who you are, I dont want to get shot by anything that is the most powerful. Elementary and bad grammer but yeah I said it.
They both work. I always thought people were crazy about 1911 vs glock but now I know to stay away from this one too. lol ;D
It just got more interesting. It is known around these parts that I want a BFR. I have been doing this dance between .357, .454 and .44 mag. I have actually leaned towards either .357 or .454 because of the price of .38 and .45 vs .44 special. Now I learned that Bond arms makes a Derringer in .44 special. That would give me a concealable little brother to a .44 mag. Hmmm....... ;D
FQ13
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K, I was just going to let that go away but after your post I'll make one last comment on the matter.
A persons preference for one caliber or another is just that, a preference.
Where it became an issue was the insulting, "authoritative" manner it was presented in.
In the context of the thread no one gives a crap about 44 Mag, the GP isn't offered in that caliber so it was just pointless offensiveness.
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Bafsu, I think FQ means GP 100's, He said 1 was blue and the Wiley Clapp pistols are strictly SS.
Gotcha, thanks